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    Allen Logan
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    When I completed my Six Sigma Training and got my certification my training qualified me to work as a black belt but, the company kept me as a green belt so I could maintain my management position. I am no longer working for company.  Can I now take a position as a black belt for a company to work full time as a Six Sigma Belt? As the senior belt I trained our company black belt who has yet to complete a single project.  Can I market myself qualified as black belt?

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    #150826

    Ravi Gupta
    Participant

    Dear Allen
    Normally, the certification comes after a set of projects being completed successfully as GB & BB, completing the facilitation skills programme, passing the BB exam & live class room training to potential GB’s. But, different certification agencies modus operandi may differ. 
    I believe, if you have faith in SS & knowledge of a BB, you can.
    Best regards
    Ravi Gupta 
     

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    #150831

    OLD
    Participant

    Allen:
     
    You can market your experience and certification as you acquired it. The “qualified BB” part will be determined by the potential employer that is interviewing you. If they ask enough questions, they will determine how your experience and certification stacks-up against others’ applying for the same job. It is what it is. The question is whether “it” is good enough?
     Good Luck! OLD

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    #150835

    Mikel
    Member

    I have the knowledge of a black belt but only have faith in god and myself. Will I make it as a black belt?

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    #150837

    JAO
    Participant

    The real question is: Do you trust (faith) your knowledge? If you do, you’ll make it!

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    #150839

    Joe BB
    Participant

    No, you will not!
     
    Joe

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    #150849

    Tom Abbuzeid
    Member

    No
    A doctor  can’t  perform  a  surgery without  being  certified.Experience  alone  is  not  enough.

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    #150852

    JAO
    Participant

    Tom,
    Your statement has a lot of holes in it! If the person is already a Doctor, then they have the experience to do the surgery! The doctor has successfully conducted this type of surgery many times over (experience) and has postponed death for many other individuals.
    Suppose that your life is on the line and you needed this type of surgery or life, as you know it, would expire immediately, and also, suppose this was the only Doctor available for miles around, what would you choose to do? Would you want proof of the Certification or would you rather postpone immenent death?
    It’s your decision!   

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    #150855

    Tom Abbuzeid
    Member

    Agree with  you.But  self-confidence  is  not  enough in  our  world.You  have  to  show  that you  are  certified,other-wise  nobody  believe  you.That is  why everybody  is  seeking certification. 

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    #150857

    Six Sigma Shooter
    Member

    Unfortunately for many of the Six Sigma “doctors,” they get certified to do surgery after showing that they might know how to apply a bandage, and often-times, in the wrong location or even on the wrong patient.  A little knowledge can be a very dangerous thing, indeed.  Certification has to have meaning – there should be some rigor in its attainment – and in Six Sigma, it has lost much of that as a result of the hacks among us.

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    #150861

    Tom Abbuzeid
    Member

    Agree fully with  your excellent metaphor.This  why SS should  be  a  long  journey toward excellent  quality,ending  by  the  certification.Now  we  are  obseving junior candidates (less  than  25  years old) without any  previous  knowledge or  experience  in  Quality  or  SS jumping  suddenly  to  the  Certification Exam (nad  passing  the  Exam.) to become SS-BB?It  is  becoming a  money  generating  business?  

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    #150862

    Six Sigma Shooter
    Member

    I guess that’s what happens when consulting firms, consultants, colleges / universities and head-hunters become focused on making money, rather than on delivering true value and levels of competence.  Deming warned us about the hacks out there. . .   Buyer beware!

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    #150864

    JAO
    Participant

    Tom,
     
    Everyone that is capable of seeking certification should do it, no doubt!
    There is more harm done in ignorance of SixSigma, Lean or any other BPI methodology than their knowledge.
     
    However, certification in and of itself is only proof for understanding knowledge (a first step, or the transfer of knowledge “Qualification”), the real test is in knowing what one already understands and this is accomplished through the application of this knowledge (a second step, or trusting/testing of knowledge “Proficiency”). Thus, trusting in your knowledge (the confidence factor) is a pre-requisite to attaining success! At the end of the day, we all have to be self-motivated and self-disciplined to get the job done and this requires the willingness on our part (a third step, or ability to get things done) to do what we do best.
     
    Please, re-read here what Allen stated originally:
     
    “When I completed my Six Sigma Training and got my certification my training qualified me to work as a black belt but, the company kept me as a green belt so I could maintain my management position. I am no longer working for company.  Can I now take a position as a black belt for a company to work full time as a Six Sigma Belt? As the senior belt I trained our company black belt who has yet to complete a single project.  Can I market myself qualified as black belt?”
     
    Allen’s Six Sigma Training and certification qualified him as a black belt (knowledge transfer!). The company placed a limit only on his Title (Green Belt!). As the senior belt, Allen trained the company BB (the BB has not completed a single project, again knowledge transfer only!), thus my question here to Allen, is: Have you worked on or completed any (Proficiency) projects? If so, please tell me more about them….etc!
    The questions that Allen is asking are: Can he market himself qualified as a BB? Yes, he can market himself as “qualified,” as he should. Can he take a position as a BB for a company to work FT as a SS BB? Of course he can, that is if such a position is offered to him, this is confidence on his part (wouldn’t you accept such a position?), risk on the company’s part. Why not? How else do we learn? It’s a catch 22!
    The only limitation is self-limitation! My suggestion for people interested in learning (certifying in) lean, Six-Sigma, or whatever BPI method(s) they have interest in, is go out and do so. There is no harm in gaining knowledge. Once again, more harm is done through ignorance of these methods. But once you’re certified, go out and seek opportunities to apply this knowledge whenever and whereever you can by (1) creating your own opportunities or (2) by seeking out organizations that are willing to take a risk on you, or (3) Innovate!.
    The real question is, are you willing to take a risk on yourself? Think abundance, not scarcity. There is no limit to people wanting to be certified. Go for it, but back it up with and reinforce it with knowledge application.
    Here’s a question for you, five years from now, where do you want to be? We have no control over time, the future will show up, the only difference is what you have to show for it. What will it be? A future with certification, with knowledge application or without anything. Again, the decision is ours to make! 

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    #150871

    mcintosh
    Participant

    Yes. A good quick test, is to ask them about quality measures … if they mention 3.4 dpmo, they are a mindless hack. 

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