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    #153760

    Tim K.
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    Who else would you have instruct?  GBs? 

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    #153762

    Tim K.
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    Interesting question.  I’ll think about it because I could use such stratified cost information as well. 

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    #153763

    Mikel
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    If your MBB’s can only instruct, I’d get rid of them. At best pay them what you can get a stats instructor for at a local community college $25-$30 hour.
    People who can only be effective in a classroom have no real role in Six Sigma.

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    #153764

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    Stan is ever so subtle and diplomatic in his response. That’s what we love about him! While I generally agree with him about the need for an MBB to be able to do both there are instances where I have seen a differentiation of roles between full-time instructors and MBB coaches/trainers make sense for very large organizations.
    These companies embrace a muli-layered MBB model where salaries ranges are established as follows:
    These companies often differentiate between Associate MBBs (i.e. Black Belts moving into a MBB role), MBBs (either as full time instructors or as a combination of instructors/coach) and Managing MBBs (i.e. MBBs with the responsibilities of overseeing various MBBs including a Director of Six Sigma training). The salary ranges in this model are driven by the level of responsibilities rather than the task responsibilities.
    Also, remember this is training, not education! As a result, you differentiate between an instructor and coach role for purposes of economies of scale.
    The best model (in my opinion) is to have a centralized training development function driven by the head of the six sigma iniative and your most experienced MBBs and develop a curriculum that is standardized across the different business units.
     

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    #153766

    Ken Feldman
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    That is the model at BOA and the Instructor MBBs make, on average, about $35K than their LOB counterparts.  Plus their bonus generally exceeds those of the LOB MBB since they are not tied to any business results.

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    #153767

    Mike Carnell
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    MBB cost/salary,
    I will agree with you on the stardized part of the classroom instruction regardless of the size of the company. It seems reasonable that inside one company you should expect some consistency in the qualifications of an MBB, BB or GB particularly if they are going to teach variation reduction.
    I am with Stan on the classroom only MBB. That is not an MBB. That is an instructor. Wrong business.
    Just my opinion.

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    #153769

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    Mike,
    I whole heartedly agree. One of the values of Six Sigma is the fact that training does not occur in a vaccum, but is tied to the coaching and mentoring and the change management that occurs during the projects. That is why the ASQ and Villanova etc. “certifications” are of such small value to organizations.. Also, the gap between the instruction and the application widens to the degree that the hands-on MBBs are not involved with the original training.
    Just my observations.

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    #153772

    qualitycolorado
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    I agree with Mike and Stan.  Use the salary ranges that you have found for a “regular” MBB, and please make sure that your folks are not just “training only” MBBs.    You may feel stuck if your organization has already decided to have “training-only” MBBs.  If it has, push back on the organization — it may be a tough sell, but it is better for the projgram and for everyone involved.  Your MBBs need to stay involved in improvement projects for a number of reasons.  From a training standpoint, their training will tend to get “stale” and will less relevant to the folks they are training. You have probably already found these salary survey results, but in case you have not:https://www.isixsigma.com/library/content/n070306a.asphttps://www.isixsigma.com/library/content/n060302a.asp Best regards,QualityColorado

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    #153773

    luke skywalker
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    Daddy Darth,
    You so funny! You funny, funny man.
    Seriously, based on what I see from a recruiting role, reverse your statement and you’ll be heading in a more correct direction.
    Love ya,
    Luke

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    #153774

    Mike Carnell
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    MBB cost/salary,
    I don’t enjoy teaching in the least. The “what if’ scenarios drive me nuts and I would much rather deviate from the instruction material if someone has a good data set. I do enjoy site support. It is very easy to tell what type of instructor I am following in a site support situation by how far the BB’s can go without help. When they struggle it is most typically when it is an academic instead of an applications & academic. I think the full time instructors are a complete disservice to the people taking training.
    Any person carrying a cert without the application has a long way to go to catch up with someone who has done classroom and application. Both have a long way to go to catch up with someone who has been part of a deployment and had responsibility for completing projects, mentoring GB’s and doing training.
    Just my opinion.
    Regards 

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    #153778

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    It looks like with all disagreements about and within six sigma, there at last seems to be an agreement about the value of not separating training from coaching, mentoring and project completion … of course, I am still waiting for that voice out there that will try to convince everybody that shadow boxing is equally effective as sparring :-).

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    #153781

    Ropp
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    Reminds me of the old saying:  those that DO    DO
    Those that can’t DO  Teach and
    Those that can’t Teach teach Teachers to Teach..
     
    Cheers!

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    #153784

    Mike Carnell
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    Let’s not forget quotes from dead Romans that make it all ok.
    Regards

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