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  • #36977

    Xosu
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    Hi,
    Can anyone tell me how i can obtain more information about Six sigma application in Motorola. I am doing some resarch so i need some sources.
    thank you in advance!!!

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    #107844

    Nobody Expert
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    Go for “Implementing SS”/Smarter Solutions using statistical methods/ (by Forest W, Breyfogle)/pages 667–673.  Good Luck

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    #107863

    Orlando
    Participant

    Hi Xosu
    If you want to obtain information on Six Sigma and Motorola and also see how Six Sigma began in Motorola,  just check out the following site.
    http://www.ascsixsigma.com
    There you’ll find everything you need.

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    #107908

    Mikel
    Member

    Orlando,
    I appreciate your posts and especially the perspective you bring to what really happened vs what is claimed by all of the hero cowboys out of Scottsdale. But…
    Mario’s timeline is just on persons experience. Mario has also been very successful at commercializing Six Sigma, but he is no more responsible for Six Sigma than any of 50 -100 others working their butts off in the same time period.
    Your postings and Mario’s timeline is putting Mario in the same category as the cowboys. Mario is better than that.

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    #107909

    rwatters
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    May want to do some real in depth reading on Philip Crosby as well who started pushing for six sigma (not as the methodology, but as a process) in the mid 60’s.
    The norm then was 3 sigma. Anything beyond that was considered “unrealistic”. I think his arguments were a good foundation to the establishment of many of todays quality/process improvement tools including Six Sigma.

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    #107911

    Mikel
    Member

    What nonsense.

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    #107914

    Anonymous
    Guest

    For what it’s worth, I agree.
    Andy

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    #107915

    Anonymous
    Guest

    For what it’s worth, I agree.
    Andy

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    #107917

    rwatters
    Member

    No, not nonsense. Facts. Another informative arguemnt though…

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    #107924

    RubberDude
    Member

    Hey…. if you don’t believe it, just ask Crosby……. (Didn’t he invent the internet with Al Gore?)
    (Laughing my head off here……)

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    #107927

    rwatters
    Member

    Rubber, thanks for you valuable input but I regret to inform you that Crosby is dead so asking him personaly is not quite possible.
    If you re-read my post, I did not once mention that Crosby invented Six Sigma, I said that he established the concept of zero defects and his teachings were a good foundation of todays modern tools. Again re-read the post.

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    #107928

    Orlando
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    Hi Stan
    Your right about the 50 to 100 others working their butts off during the same time period and Mario was just one of them.  I don’t think I ever said Mario’s was the fellow who invented Six Sigma.  Although sometimes I come across like that when I say that he was the most influential person who brought the initiatrive to fruition, especially in Motorola Semiconductor. 
    What I tried to do is give some perspective on what was happening at that crucial early period.  I only get involved in these discussions when  I hear someone write that Mikel Harry created it all and did this and did that.  Like I mentioned before, I don’t want to take anything away from all the pioneers in this enterprise.  I just don’t like to see everybody pay homage to just one person when in reality Six Sigma was a creation of a small group within the Motorola organization and cheif among them was Mario Perez-Wilson. 
    The documents listed on Mario’s WEB page is a personal history that includes letters of praise from hugher ups within the Semiconductor Sector.  Mikel Harry also had memos praisiing his effort but Mikel’s praises are due in part on material he wrote about the theoritical underpinnings of Six Sigma.  I read practically all his material and I was impressed.  But it didn’t get me off my butt to do anything because it didn’t show me what to do first, what to do second etc..  Mario’s material was aimed at the application aspects.  Mario defined how to do and how one can delivery Six Sigma to the manufacturing area.
    I brought to the Forum a memo I found and is listed on Mario’s WEB page in which Dr. Zinkgraf indicated he was using Mario’s material to teach a class in Sequin.  The reason I put this memo on the Forum was because someone was debating about where and when Zinkgraf was with Allied Signal and he was with Mikel Harry’s organization and they brought it to Allied Signal etc.  I wanted to show that Zinkgraf was using Mario’s material in 1990 and when he was working for Mikel it was in 1993.  All this material was re-worked and re-worked and nobody ever mentioned where did this material originate.
    By the way I don’t know how Mikel Harry got to head the Six Sigma Institute in Schaumberg but I do know that Bill Wigginhorn who was the V.P. in charge of Motorola University dismissed Mikel because he failed to deliver.  After that episode Mikel went to work for a firm in Europe   This all took place about 1993 and in the same year Zinkgraf and Harry worked together.

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    #107929

    RubberDude
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    OOooooo…. touchy touchy…….
    FYI, I’m very aware of Mr Crosby’s death.  In fact, I met with him about six months prior to his death where he had made a presentation on his last book.  Having been acquainted with him and a couple other “gurus” I can tell you that he (as are most of them) was very egotistical and arrogant, while not demeaning.  However, he would have appreciated my joke about him and Al Gore inventing the internet.  In fact, he’s probably having a nice chuckle right now.

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    #107939

    Orlando
    Participant

    Hi RubberDude
    Al Gore never said he invented the Internet.  He was being interviewed by Wolf Blitzer on CNN and he mentioned that he introduced legislation to help create a mechanism in this country for the internet to thrive.  A couple of days later Newt Gingrich agreed with him that he was instrumental in that effort and most lalmakers agreed too.  It wasn’t until the RNC got together and put the word out to their dominions to belittle Al Gore about that statement and the rest is history.  So please make sure when you say something on this Forum that it has some basis in fact.

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    #107940

    Darth
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    Although Crosby should be given credit for a successful commercialization of quality he was a light weight in comparison to his peers at the time…Deming and Juran.  He did build a nice business but unfortunately sold out to Proudfoot who destroyed it.  That was after his CFO embezzled a bunch of money and his wifey caught him fooling around with a secretary.  That didn’t help either.  He never really made it back after that despite a few attempts at a comeback.  His books were light airplane reading and he was big on slogans, Quality is Free, Quality without Tears, Laughing your way to Quality, Schtuping your way to Quality, etc.  But he did bring an awareness of quality to business leaders.  For this he needs to be commended.

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    #107941

    Darth
    Participant

    BTW, I recently saw Crosby, Gore and Elvis at the Mall of the Americas eating cheese burgers.

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    #107943

    RubberDude
    Member

    Darth,
    Can you back that up with facts?  If not, Orlando is going to throw us out of the forum…….. (I’m shaking in my boots!!!)

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    #107944

    RubberDude
    Member

    Very well said, Darth.  (But he did have an inflated ego….)

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    #107945

    RubberDude
    Member

    Orlando,
    Lighten up…. it was a JOKE!!!!
    I know Al Gore didn’t “invent” the internet.  SHEESH!!
    And if you want to “bash” someone with a “So please make sure when you say something on this Forum that it has some basis in fact.” statement, try some of the misleading “guru wannabes” that haunt this forum.  If you read some of my recent posts, you will see that I have stressed to those using it to never take ANY post at face value, but to back it up with their own research and other resources.

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    #107946

    Quality Guy
    Participant

    Hey RubberDude:
    It all adds up now…. your name and that you have a … for brain. BTW, it looks like you two oldies got too much free time and don’t know what to do with it.
    Regards,

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    #107947

    RubberDude
    Member

    Can’t articulate what I have for a brain?
    And who is the other “oldie” you are referring to?
    And I’ll refer you to Orlando’s statement: “So please make sure when you say something on this Forum that it has some basis in fact.”

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    #107949

    Ralph
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    Uhh…ohhh, if this is the new posting criteria:
     
    So please make sure when you say something on this Forum that it has some basis in fact.
     all of that drivel going back and forth about Mario and Mikel et al, has to stop.  Oh, wait a minute, I see your qualifier, “….  some basis in fact.”   Whew Orlando, looks like you’re OK with your unsubstantiated all too frequent clarifying input regarding who did what for (and to) whom first.   That’s good, for a minute I feared that you’d deprive us of your own vast insights.      

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    #107956

    Mikel
    Member

    What nonsense.

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    #107957

    Mikel
    Member

    Had to go all the way to Minneapolis to get a hotel room to ride the storm out?

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    #107958

    Mikel
    Member

    Harry got to head the Institute because of a political tie to Ralph Ponce de Leon (real name by the way). Not a real smart guy, but weilded an inordinate amount of power.

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    #107959

    Orlando
    Participant

    Hi RubberDude
    I’m sorry I’m just caught up in this political discourse that anytime the RNC puts out some BS Iand someone repeats it I get uptight.
    Sorry
     

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    #107960

    Mikel
    Member

    SOP for the RNC (thanks to the late Lee Atwater) –
    “If you are explaining you are losing”

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    #107964

    RubberDude
    Member

    I try to remain non-political in these matters, but I do have to make the comment:
    I’m sure glad the DNC never does anything like that…….
    It’s OK, Orlando…. It’s Friday….. Just want to go into the weekend in a good mood…..

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    #107978

    Orlando
    Participant

    Hi Stan
    Sooo it was Ralph Ponce de Leon  who got Mike into Wiggihorns organization.  Gee, if Ralph didn’t get so damn impressed with that academic jargon and instead push someone who actually did his learning and work on the floor perhaps Motorola wouldn’t have falling so hard and so fast in loosing their quality edge.
     

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