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    Dan the Man
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    I’m a collector of Process/Quality Improvement training materials.  Does anyone know where I can purchase used, formal Six Sigma training materials (e.g. GE training, AlliedSignal training, etc.)?

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    #67688

    Chris Walker
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    What specifically are you looking for – Overview/ Champion/ GB/ BB/ MBB training, or phase-specific (DMAICL), or anything and everything?
    I worked for AlliedSignal (re: one of your examples) during the “Storming” and “Norming” years of Six Sigma (in the Aerospace manufacturing; Marketing, Sales & Service, and Information Technology business units).
    Now, I don’t know about selling you the actual training (I have it, but I’m not so sure about the legalities of that), but I have developed a kind of “dummies” training that takes all the learnings I have had with Six Sigma from different world-class (and not-so-world-class) companies I have worked for and with and consolodated the “best-of” into a plain-english (but highly effective) training series.
    Email me for additional information. I’ve developed the training (manuals, instructors notes, etc.), and am currently writing to book format (hopeful for a 2002 release).

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    #67692

    melvin
    Participant

    I know your intentions are probably good with regard to your desire for this training material – but rest assured, any material you receive will not be with the blessings of the company who developed it internally (or had it developed externally).  This because of the probable content of examples/ references within the material that could contain proprietary information or simply because the company doesn’t want to do the legwork for someone else to reap the benefits.
    I am a Quality Engineer for a medium sized Fortune 250 manufacturing firm that participated in the development of our Six Sigma training materials – all of which were done internally.  I will pay close attention to the replys to your posting to make sure none of our employees try to sell you our material.
    Good luck!
     

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    #67695

    Dan the Man
    Participant

    I’m not interested in purchasing training materials.  I’m more interested, in the academic sense, in the disparity among the various companies and institutions implementing six sigma and certifing individuals as “black belts”, “green belts”, and etc. 
    I’m sure, as many of you have discovered; there is a significant difference in skill sets and requirements among companies and organizations providing so-called certification.

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    #67696

    Dan the Man
    Participant

    By the way, I can be contacted directly at [email protected].
     

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    #67699

    pratul
    Participant

    hi
    I have the complete set of black belt material.for further information mail me on [email protected]
    bye

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    #67702

    sreedher
    Member

    I am a frequent visitor of isixsigma site, I will be thankful to receive the training material that you have mentioned… my e.mail id is [email protected].
    rgds
    Sreedher

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    #67705

    Mike Castell
    Participant

    Your “dummies” platform is very appealing. I am just new to the sixsigma concept and at the sponge stage. I have been working in the training area for the last 10+ years and have made a recent move to quality. It appears as though I may have to teach more dummies along the way so can you tell me more about what you have compiled thus far.
    Regards, Mike

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    #67710

    Kevin McCormick
    Participant

    Hello Chris,
    I am in the process of Black Belt Training and would greatly appreciate any training information that you would be willing to pass along. regards,
    Kevin

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    #67723

    melvin
    Participant

    Whatever the “reason” you want the materials for or by however “means” you plan to obtain them…..
    Most materials are copyrighted and most employees have legal proprietary agreements with their employers with regard to the “sharing” of information – Six Sigma training materials notwithstanding.
    Take heed folks – before you send “Dan the man” or should I say “Bootleg Dan” any materials – be aware of the (legal) consequences.
     

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    #67727

    Dan the Man
    Participant

    For those of you who are as paranoid as poor Bob about copyright infringements, I would be equally as interested in the table of contents themselves and perhaps the number of days spent on each section.

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    #67728

    melvin
    Participant

    If I sat on my duff all day and received training material, I would not be paranoid.
    Instead, I develop the material and, indeed, am paranoid

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    #67730

    Chris Walker
    Participant

    I can provide you with a general overview, but my company actually facilitates training ($1,000 per day plus Travel & Expense). The training can be done in 1 day, but I have found two days (12 hours in-class and 4 hours one-on-one with attendees) works best.
    I am open to selling the entrie training package (user guide and facilitator materials). The cost for the Project Selection, Scoping & Prioritization modules is $500 (includes everything but a facilitator). Limited ongoing support is provided as well.
    I can also customize the materials for your company/industry/etc. so the delivery is more impactful. I’d need 48 hours to turnaround a sizing on the customization effort.
    Again, let’s discuss further. I’ll talk to you soon.CMW
    [email protected]
    http://www.process1consulting.com

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    #67731

    Dan the Man
    Participant

    This seems to be getting ugly. Why don’t we try a different forum. As I mentioned earlier, I’m interested in the training disparities among the numerous ungoverned, unstandardized organizations who are certifying individuals as black belts. I work for a Forbes and Fortune 10 organization that trains and certifies their own black belts. Frankly, the black belts being trained by my present organization wouldn’t qualify as a green belt at my previous Fortune 5 company.
    The huge difference in training and certification standard should be openly discussed. I feel that it’s my duty as a mbb to identify and report on the differences.
    Also, you’re absolutely correct; I’m not putting together a training manual or course of my own. Consequently, I can be very objective in my analysis and reporting.
    Lastly, I don’t think sharing a table of contents is a copyright violation, as a matter of fact my companies have outlines and table of contents listed on their web sites. This may be all I need for my analysis, of course the amount of time spent covering each section would be very beneficial.

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    #67732

    Dan the Man
    Participant

    Bob, come on, look at some the posting about people inquiring about online training and so forth.  Do you actual think that someone can take an online course and fully appreciate, comprehend, and apply sound statisitcally thinking.  Likewise, do you think these same people can be effective if they haven’t learned the appropriate amount and application of statistics. 
    The question really is what common knowledge and training should people have.  Should people have a Phd in stats?  How do measure and gage the required soft skills and etc.?  Do people need to be certified?

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    #67803

    Smithsigma
    Member

    Interesting…I could have sworn you previously said you were offering to pay for used training materials…
    “I’m a collector of Process/Quality Improvement training materials.  Does anyone know where I can purchase used, formal Six Sigma training materials (e.g. GE training, AlliedSignal training, etc.)?”
    At any rate, I have to agree with ‘paranoid Bob’.  If there is so much of this useful information already out on the web, feel free to go cut and paste. 
        

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    #67805

    Murray
    Participant

    I agree about the disparity of training. Let’s also talk about the disparity in those calling themselves Master Black Belts. Most are jokes, thinking that a year or two at GE (woops, I mean a fortune 5 company), qualifies them as experts. Let get some people with real background and experience into this discussion.

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    #67827

    Dan the Man
    Participant

    This started out so innocently and has turned into a disaster. I am willing to purchase materials for my collection. Over the years I have bought and received Quality related materials from numerous organizations for my collection that I started in the 1985. I have been keeping a matrix of tools and ideas presented in each manual.
    I thought this would be great forum to get more materials for my collection. Frankly, I surprised at how much heat I have received from everyone.
    FYI the training materials I find most interesting are those from the military!!!!

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    #68626

    Srinivas
    Member

    Hi ,would be interestedin buying the six sigma black belt material stuff.
    Would like to know ,which company it belongs.
    Whats the price.
     
    Srini

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    #70811

    m farhan
    Participant

    May You send me a copy of materials you minssioned on my mail [email protected]
    thanks in advance

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    #70814

    Primantara
    Participant

    Please give me a copy to that material you had been received. I also need that since my company also begins embarking six sigma.
    Regards
    ari

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    #70823

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    I have original material from Motorola. When Mikal Harry first joinrd Motorola he owned his own company called Research Dynamics and the SS process was called Process Characterization. I have that.
    I have one of Mario Perez Wilson’s original versions of his first book “Machine Process Capability.” It is marked up from where Gary Cone and I did some proof reading for Mario.
    Greg Brue and I consulted with Allied Automotive from Wave 1 on. In Wave one there was very little material. We used Box, Hunter and Hunter, & Grant and Levenworth & Juran and Gryna. I do have some of the later stuff.
    I have the original stuff we began GE with (I even have a letter from Gary Reiner splitting up 8 of the GE sectors between Greg Brue, Gary Cone and me).
    You can contact me at [email protected].

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    #70833

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    I responded earlier without reading the stuff between you original message and my response. A while ago we had an exchange going on about who owned what and copyright law. There were a lot of people taking positions about how this was in the public domain. I think by reading the response you can see it is not a universal opinion.
    Welcome to the world of Intellectual Property. It is one of the two fastest growing areas of law today. You can take the high ground, low ground, whatever ground but you do not have to be right to file a siut and you do not have to be wrong to be sued. A mid size company in the Fortune whatever has several attorney already bought and paid for. Doing a lawsuit is only incremental expense for them. I would be very careful if I were you. Some these guys will file a suit just to see if you have the resources to last out the battle. Good luck.

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    #70847

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    If all this stuff on the material is really to understand the variation in training material there are some people you should speak with.
    The first person would be John Hathaway at Six Sigma Qualtec. John actually had to share an office with Mikal Harry at Motorola. He knows all the material from our days at Motorola up through the current Qualtec stuff. I think John sat out the Allied deployment but he was around for GE (Med Systems).
    Scot Ashby just left SSQ but was the VP of product Development and also came from Motorola. He knows a lot of the history as well. He lives in Phoenix area.
    Shar Stocker has worked on or prepared material for almost everyone in the business. She goes back to Motorola as well. Probably the best versed in how material should be written to make it presentable. Also a great standup trainer. She is working with Greg Brue at Six Sigma Consultants Company (http://www.SixSigmaCo.com).
    Linus Kelly also at SixSigmaco is an excellent source. Linus was one of our early BB’s at Allied. He had a lot to do with the Allied, SSI, SSQ, and the SSC materials.
    Barbara Wheat at Ingersol Rand will add a different perspective. She wrote and delivered and did site support pretty much by herself this year at an IR division. A disertation away from a Phd is education. She is as good as anyone around on Lean so she steps back from the “purist” stuff around the stats.
    Rob Tripp at SSQ is probably one of the longest practicing transaction guys around. He was one of the wave 1 guys at Allied Automotive. He came out of accounting. Definately worth talking to.
    If you think you can do a through job with just agendas you will miss a lot of stuff. Through the SSI to SSQ stuff there have been a lot of additions and deletions under larger topics such as Advanced Regression and Advanced DOE. If you read the agenda only you would miss when EVOP and Steepest Ascent were added. If you really want to do the job correctly (assuming you have bought into the no defect idea) you need the material.

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    #70897

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    You guys quit pretty easy. This was just getting interesting.
    Did somebody blink?

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