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  • April 25, 2007 at 4:33 pm #46818

    Dennis Bragg
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    I wish to obtain a Six Sigma Black Belt but am constrained due to my job assignment to online training only with no in class room training. There are a lot of organizations offering such training. After a lot of investigation I have narrowed my choices down between choosing Villanova University’s Masters certificate in Six Sigma (Green/Lean/Black) offering (~$7500, or ASQ’s Six Sigma Black Belt offering (~$2800. Would anyone have any experience with either of these offerings? Villanova’s program is massively advertised and seems to be a respectable program but they require spending ~$2,000 for a green belt when I would rather study only for the Black Belt- the ASQ gives me this option. The lean training at Villanova is good training but not required. Any input would be appreciaed.

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    April 25, 2007 at 10:54 pm #155268

    Allthingsidiot O
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    Go  for  the  master certificate  program that  offered  by  Villanova

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    April 25, 2007 at 11:04 pm #155269

    GB
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    This will get you started:
    https://www.isixsigma.com/forum/showmessage.asp?messageID=53996

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    April 26, 2007 at 2:39 am #155273

    Harold S.
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    I believe ASQ also offers a Lean Six Sigma BB course for $3,100.  The ASQ courses were developed by MoreSteam.com.  You could buy two for the cost of Villanova’s program, so you might want to consider whether or not you want to fund their marketing.

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    April 26, 2007 at 2:39 am #155274

    Resume Booster
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    If your choice is between ASQ and Villanova, and your goal is to boost your resume, please do yourself the favor and cancel Villanova from your list. Their program is a joke (please review the thread of questions that Allthingsidiot (O) is so eager to ask, and you’ll get a a very clear picture for how inadequately you’ll be trained for real-world projects. Villanova’s program is essentially an online tutorium that encompasses elementary statistics and the most trivial of all quality and lean concepts. The ASQ program at least prepares you for the ASQ certification.

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    April 26, 2007 at 4:07 am #155276

    Mansour
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    ASQ is well known organization and my thought is that it might be better to get the training from them for their certification. Have you considered “Quality America” as well? Any thought on that? Their web site is:http://www.qualityamerica.com/

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    April 26, 2007 at 11:31 am #155289

    Rpaul
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    Just between the two choices given.. go for the ASQ programme.

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    April 26, 2007 at 12:40 pm #155296

    Dennis Bragg
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    Thanks for the input. Why do you feel that Villanova’s program is a good one?

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    April 26, 2007 at 12:53 pm #155297

    Dennis Bragg
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    Thanks for the input. After leaving my post I found and read relevant SS posts for about 45 minutes and found good information.

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    April 26, 2007 at 12:59 pm #155299

    Dennis Bragg
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    Thanks for the great info on the Lean BB offered by ASQ/Moresteam. I signed up for the Villanova program that starts May 1 (I have until about May 8 to drop without penalty however) but they do not offer a Lean BB, only what I think might be the equivalent of a Green Belt for Lean (not sure what they call it). I do wish to obtain a Lean BB over the next couple of years, however. Thanks again. I was not aware of any org that provided the Lean BB on line.

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    April 26, 2007 at 1:08 pm #155300

    Dennis Bragg
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    Thanks for the information. One of my goals would be to boost my credentials but not the primary goal. My primary goal would be to obtain the knowledge for process improvement. After much and ongoing thought and research I decided to sign up for the Villanova Masters Certificate in SS which included Green/Lean/BB . Villanova’s program starts May 1 (next week) but I have until ~May 8 to drop with no penalty. If I understand prior posts that I read yesterday and my conversations with Villanova’s partner, University Alliance, there is a 99% pass rate for Villanova BB grads when taking the ASQ SS BB exam. My plan is to become certified via ASQ with Villanova’s exam certificate being secondary. Thanks again for the input. Too bad there is not an unbiased review authority such as consumer reports to weigh in on the best SS BB training options. The availability of a non-biased organization’ input would potential have made the decision easier.

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    April 26, 2007 at 1:12 pm #155301

    Dennis Bragg
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    Thanks for the input. I looked and save the Quality America site but am relatively unfamiliar with them.

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    April 26, 2007 at 1:18 pm #155303

    Dennis Bragg
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    Thanks for the input. I hope you are wrong on the quality of the Villanova program in that I just signed up for their Masters Certification in SS late yesterday afternoon. My prior information indicates that there is a pass rate of ~99% for Villanova grads when taking the ASQ exam and that the Villanova program is geared towards their students sitting for the ASQ exam as the prime certification. I am a little unsure of this as the pass rate came from Villanova’s partner, University Alliance. Let me know if you still think I am out in left field. Thanks again.

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    April 26, 2007 at 1:20 pm #155304

    Dennis Bragg
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    Thanks for the input. For what reasons would you choose the ASQ program?

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    April 26, 2007 at 2:04 pm #155309

    Adam L Bowden
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    You should at least start looking at a real certification  ..
    http://www.bmgi.com/products_services/elearning_blackbelt.aspx
    from professionals with a pedigree.
    Adam
     

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    April 26, 2007 at 2:52 pm #155313

    Mansour Toloo
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    I do not know much about them either but got their name from a benchmarking post. Please let us know your findings.

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    April 26, 2007 at 2:58 pm #155314

    Martínez
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    If your goal is to improve your resume, then you don’t want the words ASQ and Six Sigma on it. You don’t need to receive training to take the ASQ exam, just get your boss to send them a letter saying you already know six sigma, they’ll believe it and give  you the exam. If I see a resume with ASQ six sigma certification on it I throw it in the trash. The best six sigma training is in the classroom with a well qualified MBB trainer with a strong curriculum. E learning at best is awareness training.

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    April 26, 2007 at 4:08 pm #155323

    Allthingsidiot O
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    Disagree

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    April 26, 2007 at 4:37 pm #155327

    Allthingsidiot O
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    Hahahahahaa…this  is  the  only  answer?

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    April 26, 2007 at 4:40 pm #155328

    Allthingsidiot O
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    A small test  for  you:define  the  “orthogonal array”,just  in  one  line? 

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    April 26, 2007 at 5:21 pm #155331

    Heebeegeebee BB
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    Dennis,
    My last post was in jest, but I was trying to make a point.   Adam and I and others on this forum have been in a position to hire BB’s and MBB’s(Actual Hiring Directors, not hr or recruiters).   When looking at a resume, we look for real-world experience with the methodology and toolset.   If we see that a Candidates only experience is via Villanova, ASQ,etc… We pass…everytime.   Why?   Because those certs are the best that $$$ can buy and when the candidate has ONLY these cets, we’ve witnessed the profound lack of depth/expertise/influence on their part.
    Now, if you can demonstrate bottom-line results, Change agency and SME with reputable firms AND you have an XYZ testbased cert, than you MIGHT get another look.
    Allthingsidiot/Marlos/Dog SXXT/Name of the week just can’t get the facts listed above through his filter.
    So Dennis, if, as you say, you want to really learn the methodology and toolset for use in real-world settings, than Villanova/ASQ is not for you.

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    April 26, 2007 at 6:18 pm #155334

    Name of the week
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    Heebeebeegee BB’s also goes by various more “flamboyant” names.  So, Dog sxxt and name of the week, don’t get to upset, you knw where the name calling is coming from :-).

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    April 26, 2007 at 6:38 pm #155335

    AlexC
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    I have taken the Villanova Black Belt course and it was a very good course and they add good examples. The key here is to understand who your instructoer is going to be because the online CDs with Eckes are great but the class is only has good as the instructor. 

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    April 26, 2007 at 7:01 pm #155336

    GB
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    Uh, no I don’t actually.   show us the data.
    Once in awhile, I’ll use HBGB B^2, to shorten typing CT, and in doing so, i openly disclose that it’s me.  That said, I never post under diff names in order to support my position, unlike Marlon/Allthings/DogSXXT does.   In fact, He (she?) will do so within the same thread in order back their position…search for “Tao”  you’ll note the same cadence and grammatical mistakes.   This is in direct violation of the sites TOS/Ettiquette guidelines.

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    April 26, 2007 at 8:11 pm #155340

    Allthingsidiot O
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    Agree,please  ask  “stan” to  read  this  message as  he  is  always  against  “Villanova”?

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    April 26, 2007 at 8:18 pm #155345

    AlexC
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    Also note that someone referenced it earlier. The key to any successful education is that you have to have the experience of actually applying six sigma in live environments. A course is exactly that it gives your the foundation of understanding but until you begin to actualy execute six sigma projects that is when you truly develop the overall expertise and experience that companies are looking for.

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    April 26, 2007 at 8:19 pm #155342

    Too sad
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    “Show me the data” … when was the last time Heegeebeefeefee has read a research for dummies book? … i’m sorry, i forgot, this is an exclusive site for bb’s with 4 weeks of vocational training. that makes heebeegeecheechee the expert of raw data :-).

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    April 26, 2007 at 8:29 pm #155346

    GB
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    uh…yeah.
    Anyone else see the grammar/word usage pattern here?
    too bad, so sad, so sorry….you are a no-go at this station.

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    April 26, 2007 at 8:33 pm #155347

    Allthingsidiot O
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    I  suggest  (if  you  have  time)  to  give  us  some  basic  lessons  in  Grammer,appreciate  greatly  your  cooperation  in this  regard.

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    April 26, 2007 at 9:50 pm #155350

    Pattern recognition
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    heebeegeedramaqxexn … congratulations for winning the pattern recognition award. It is only awarded to the head monkeys on this site … you’re so smart, so forceful, … so dramatic :-).

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    April 26, 2007 at 11:11 pm #155352

    GB
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    Paisley Pattern,
    heh heh…I get your point.
    perhaps I need to lighten up…
     
     

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    April 27, 2007 at 1:53 pm #155372

    Dennis Bragg
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    Thanks Alex for the input. I will not know who the Villanova instructor is until after May 1. My situation is limited in that my company does not use SS, nor are they likely to be an advocat of SS in the future. Learning from other BBs is not one of my options. I do however have a strong interest in continuing to improve my analytical background for process improvement. The Villanova course appears to be my best option at present. Next year Virginia Commonwealth University (located here in Richmond, VA) is planning on offering (75% chance I am told) a PhD in Process Optimization and Modelling. I plan on entering this program as a part time evening student if it is offered. Thanks again for the input.

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    April 27, 2007 at 2:05 pm #155373

    Dennis Bragg
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    Point well taken Alex, and I would have to agree with you. My personal situation is that I have extensive experience in technical sales, sales and marketing management, management consulting and have decided to move into the analytic/strategic side of operations at a young, very fast growing Fortune 500 company. My company has definite needs for process improvement expertise related to logistics, remanufacturing and sales methodology. My bet is that even though my current company does not use SS I can find and develop projects on my own to develop my analytic skills. I really like my employer a lot and do not wish to leave. In a perfect world I would work for a company that has adopted SS and could use other BBs and MBBs to improve my skill sets, but I don’t have that luxury. I am merely trying to make the best of my present situation and interest..sort of muddling through life as most others without perfect information or circumstances. Thanks again for your input.

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    April 27, 2007 at 2:11 pm #155374

    Allthingsidiot O
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    Congratulation  for  selecting the  Villanova,you  have  taken the right choise.Stan will  agree as  well.Good  Luck

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    April 27, 2007 at 2:37 pm #155375

    lin
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    If you believe what Bisk Education (University Alliance) is telling you about the ASQ pass rate, then you are really naive.  Bisk has no access to ASQ pass rate data. 

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    April 28, 2007 at 3:42 am #155387

    Dennis Bragg
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    Point well taken. How Univ Alliance (representing Villanova’s Masters Certificate in Six Sigma)could possibly proves this point crossed my mind several times, and I realized at the time that the claim might not be true. Still, I will take my chances and let this forum know how I fare in about 8 months time as I plan on taking the ASQ exam immediately after completing the Villanova SS BB program. My belief is that Villanova would not put their name on a greatly inferior cours. Time will tell, however. Thanks for the observation.

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    November 18, 2007 at 6:03 pm #165016

    Jay Allen
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    Hi Dennis…I was just reading your posts from April regarding the Villanova Master SS course. I’m in essentially the same situation as you were back in April. Do you have any thoughts on your choice of Villanova? Any insight would be much appreciated.

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    November 19, 2007 at 8:23 am #165043

    Frau Mirckel
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    Selecting  the Villanova Master SS course  does  not  mean  that  you  will  be  BB certified  

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