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    Mr IAM
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    All,
    Any SS consultants out there? Indpendant or part of a larger Org like BMG, Juran, Smarter Solutions… All the little ads posted below????
    What is the SS consulting life like?  Do you find it professionaly rewarding?  How different is it from a general Corporate Quality Management role as a BB/MBB?… Thanks!  Any real sincere feedback welcomed…..

     

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    #117689

    Darth
    Participant

    I don’t know the context of your question but here are a few thoughts:
    1.  Travel is usually more significant in a consulting organization than in a corporate job.  This is a major factor for burnout and turnover in a consulting organization.  Utilization is a big metric.  In the corporate world, if a class is cancelled and the trainer is not busy, no big deal.  In the consulting world, fur flies.
    2.  Pay is usually higher for consultants to help offset some of the rigor of the job.  In addition to being responsible for delivery of training/coaching, a consultant will often be responsible for business development, materials development and anything else the client might need.  It is the business development component that is a bit different than a corporate job.
    3.  Your fellow consultants will usually be more experienced and knowledgeable compared to the corporate world.  Right now it is a buyer’s market so the best are being snapped up by consulting groups.  Corporate jobs usually can’t match the compensation and are more restricted to who they will hire.
    4.  It gets lonely on the road.  There will be less opportunity for bonding with your fellow consultants.  Everybody is busy and on the road.  This is another significant difference with a corporate job.  You need to be able to handle the distance and be self sufficient.  If you are high maintenance, consulting is not for you.  You will find fellow consultants are a bit more egocentric, competitive, less tolerant, high energy and not real big on the whining and soft stuff.  They don’t have the time. 
    5.  You usually get more respect from clients paying big bucks than for being an internal BB/MBB.  The old adage of wearing a tie, carrying a briefcase and being 50 miles from home is true.  By the same token, you are more at the mercy of the whim of the client than as an internal SS person.  One bad day and you can be out.  On the other hand, as a consultant you don’t get as wrapped up in the bs of corporate politics.  And if you are an independent you can always tell the client to take a hike and maintain your integrity.
    6.  The variety of clients, location, products, processes etc. makes consulting more intellectually stimulating.  You can experience more in a quarter than your corporate counterparts can experience in years.
    7.  As a consultant you will often get to work at organizational levels a bit higher than in a corporate job.
    8.  You get to meet other really cool consultants like Stan and Carnell.  Ok, so maybe that’s not such a good thing.  But you can learn more from these guys in a few isixsigma posts than you can from years at a corporate job.
    Hope that helps.  And yes, I work for one of the companies providing an ad above.  I have also done the small consulting company thing and two of the biggest corporate SS efforts.  Personally, despite the rigors of consulting I have found it to be more suitable for my personality and interests.  OK, so it cost a divorce and lots of hard earned money but I found a great woman the second time around and also a good wife.  Whoops, don’t tell Mrs. Dr. Darth.

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    #117691

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Mr. IAM,
    I think Darth gave a pretty complete answer. He has a much broader view of consulting than I do. There are some differences based on who you consult for.
    1. Travel is huge for us. I am generally on the road 200 – 220 days per year. It is tough on a family particularly if you have small children (assuming you like them).
    2. Our consultants do not do business development. They have one metric – results defined in the customers terms. Most of our clients are previous customers so we don’t really do much advertisement or business development.
    3. All of our consultants have a long history with us. We don’t hire an unknown and that Kumbiya singing person (refered to in an earlier post) – we don’t have one so we hire people we like to work with. Everbody is a one person show. Something comes up you deal with it calling someone else is a waste of time. The old Texas Ranger philosophy “One riot. One Ranger.”
    4. If you are high maintenance get a shrink. We don’t hold consultants hands. We do make sure that if you have family you can communicate with them daily (if possible). Is it lonely – our current deployment we live in the same building as the Belt offices and classroom – when I get up in the morning there are typically 20- 60 people wandering around and some stay past midnight. Not to lonely on this job. Others can be.
    5. Because most of our clients are repeat business they understand their role well. They also understand what to expect from us and if we don’t deliver it is like urinating on an electric fence. No correlation coefficent needed to determine cause and effect. Instant feedback.
    6. Definately. The best part of the job. The best part is after you have done a couple deployments that the “we’re different” thing is pure BS. When you walk into some industry that you have never seen before and if you don’t trust the tools and the methodology you will feel like a country dog in the city – if you run they bite you in the a_s and if you stand still they (I’ll have to let you use your imagination on this part) you. GE was a great training ground particularly Power Gen. In Greenville we had great MBB’s but the plant was run by Bill Standera (probably spelled wrong) who reported to Bob Nardeli who reported to Jack Welch. That is a tough string of customers – not much room for mistakes.
    7. Definately.
    8. Thank you.
    9. (NEW)The most difficult part to the job is adjusting to the random work schedule. I have been off since March 19th and when I get up in the morning I don’t have to call in sick, feel bad about not being at work, etc.
    10. (NEW)When your spouse, companion, friend, children look you in the eye without smiling and say “I am not a Six Sigma project.” you need some time in the Caribbean checking out the green flash.
    I have never consulted in a large organization and don’t see any reason to (the SS companies you perceive to be large frequently are not that large in terms of the entire consulting community). If you look at the demographics around the industry segment we are in (these are old numbers) is around $60 billion per year. The top five make up less than 1% of the market. It is an industry of what they call “Two men in a truck.” ok “Two people in a truck.” Small, agile (my company not me) and low overhead. When you see a consultant advertize size understand cost of infrastructure. Our IT guy is great and probably as responsible for the company not being twice its size.
    Just my opinion.
    Good luck.

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    #117694

    Plastic
    Participant

    Greetings,
    That is simply beautiful.  I am sitting here in a Hotel room in Munich Germany, after having instructed the basics of DOE.  It is so true that the rewards as a consultant are many, and that the travel is sometimes crazy, but the learning curve is tremendous.  Before setting off into the consulting world, I worked for an aircraft manufacturer and then a automobile manufacturer where I gained my Six Sigma experience.  Having now been a consultant for 6 months, I have had the opportunity to work with companies in Chemicals, Food and beverage, packaging, steel manufacturing, and biological research.  In other words, I already had quiet a depth in my knowledge, now I am gaining tremendous breath. 
    I have no clue as how it is to work for a large consulting company, I have my own one man show, but am associated with a larger company.  This of course helps with finding new clients and nice to have a wide range friends to help me if I get stumped by a BB student. 
    Consulting is not for everyone, and I will surely not do it for the rest of my life, but it is an experience I would never give up.
    ONCE AGAIN…. Thanks Mike and Darth…. beautiful discription.
    Plastic
     

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    #117695

    Dayton
    Member

    Your fellow consultants will usually be more experienced and knowledgeable compared to the corporate world….. If you are high maintenance, consulting is not for you.  You will find fellow consultants are a bit more egocentric, competitive, less tolerant, high energy and not real big on the whining and soft stuff.
     
    Crap!!   Good info, thanks.   As a high maintenance whiner with marginal experience and knowledge I guess consulting isn’t for me.   I was hoping being a high-energy intolerant competitive egocentric would get me in….   Better not burn any corporate bridges….
     Vinny

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    #117696

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Plastic,
    I am glad you are having fun.
    Take some time to enjoy your new found freedom. I worked 300 km for Cuzco and never took the time to see Machu Picchu. I worked Chile and never saw Rapa Nui or fly fished southern Chile. Same mistakes all over the globe. I have seen the Forbidden City and climbed The Great Wall. Dove the Great Barrier Reef. See it all while you can.
    Regards

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    #117700

    Darth
    Participant

    Enough with the whining, how did your presentation go today? Were they WOW’d with your revolutionary approach to using cartoons to explain higher level esoteric bs? How did the handpuppet guy work out? Details!!!!!

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    #117701

    Darth
    Participant

    Wow and to think I am in Indianapolis every week where the highlight is dinner at Johnny Rockets in the Mall. I saw most of the sites by just walking through the airport. I did dive in the Embassy Suites pool once and took the escaltor from the ground floor to the lobby.

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    #117702

    Dayton
    Member

    Actually it went swimmingly.  A bit of a rocky start when the CEO sidled up to me and said, “Dipstick, you’ve got about 3 seconds to take off the greasy fake pompadour, oversized silver rimmed aviator glasses, muttonchops, and cape!!!!!”   But then with expectations more clearly established it went very well.
     
    All were enthralled with the application of the graphical decomposable modeling technique to genetic network analysis – a multicolored three-dimensional look with numbered nodes on the tinker toy graphics made for an esthetically pleasant techno-splash and conveyed a state of the clinical art message with great verve.  So much so that the next stop appears to be a certain regulatory agency advisory panel – known for great humor and facilitating innovative “out of the box-cox” statistical thinking.  
     
    Uhhhh… what is the population….how did you biodemographically determine total impacted population…. what about Europe… did you exclude Asia… what is the sample size…. why’d you select that sample size…. which tests did you run…. why did you chose those tests… why didn’t you use these tests….. are those tinker toys…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz   
     
    But – all is well and those that recognized innovation generally said, “Hmmm….”  
     
    Plenty of extra Diet Cokes and chocolate chip cookies left over for the little clonelings…    All is well in Vinland – and my tension level is again down to simply and normally high strung.
     Vinny

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    #117703

    Darth
    Participant

    Knew you would do good with all the positive energy and love that was flowing your way from your beloved compadres here at the Forum. Now maybe you can relax and starting posting in a more sane fashion. Vinny has left the building!!!!Please forward your final report to my alternate email address so that I can review it for possible presentation at the Sxxt Sigma conference coming up soon. We believe that BOA will be a major sponsor along with Stans Enterprises, Victoria Secret, ISSSSSSSSSSSP and Carnell Bar and Gun Range.

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    #117704

    Markert
    Participant

    As luck would have it, our hidden camera at GiantMedicalProducts Company was able to catch the final moments of Vinny’s presentation to the CEO and staff. Lets see what he has to say:
           
    “That was one terriffic presentation, Dr. Vinny. We certainly made a wise decision in you and your rigorous educational background. You may even have noticed that I wore my best sportcoat and tan glasses today in honor of our meeting. And those graphics and models, why they were breathtaking. I’ll bet that you really went out of your way developing that correlation to Goodman’s Law and even brought in homemade cookies and Diet Cokes……Mmmm, Dr. CEO Furby love cookies…..  

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    #117706

    Annonymous
    Participant

    If you guys are so experienced at consulting, then why
    are you still beating the road and pacing the classroom?
    Without intending to be confronting it sounds to me like
    you might be offering excuses for your own inability to
    create a bonifed business and continually grow financial
    success on a corporate scale (per the teaching of six
    sigma). It is very interesting that the business principals
    advertising on this website generally don’t participate in
    the discusion forum. Wonder why? Any thoughts about
    why the big names in the field of quality and six sigma
    don’t engage this forum? It would be nice to hear from
    them.

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    #117708

    Johnny Guilherme
    Participant

    Mike
    What about the big “5” you have seen in SA.
    By the way i have taken the idea you gave me up on our granulation area a little further. I am looking at drums on wheels with an exit pipe at the bottom of the drum. They can dispense all the powders into one drum (as apposed to 7 steel containers) and take it up and get it connected to the vacuum system. They then start the vacuum and the powders are loaded into the moritz vessel as apposed to loading conatiner by container. I am also looking at say loading 3 drums(with different materials) at a time. The time savings is enormous. Once it is implemented you can come and have a look.
    I spoke to Uleces-he did help with the setup costs. When you visited Roche you mentioned about the 5 pillars in Lean which have to be done before going the route of JIT and kanban. What were they??? Also where can i get some videos for training on “world class aspects”??
    regards
    Johnny Guilherme

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    #117712

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Annonymous,
    Perhaps they prefer to remain anonymous :-)
    Andy

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    #117716

    New VGB
    Participant

    It depends from where you are?

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    #117730

    Joy Cowling
    Participant

    Annonymous,
    I know a couple of these guys and I can tell you that they beat the road and pace the classroom because they love it.  Not everybody wants to run a big traditional company to feel successful.  I think the greatest success is knowing what you are good at and making a life from it.  That is what guys like Carnell have done.  They come from big corporate backgrounds and chose this.  I also have a fair idea of what these guys make…I think its kind of funny that you don’t call what they do a “bonifed business”.  I’d be willing to bet they do better than most corporate folks and most business owners that I can think of.
    Just my two cents…

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    #117731

    Dayton
    Member

    Amazing!   It’s almost like you were there.   And you’re also right in the fact that there were very few cookies left – but some of that was because I used a few of them in a freewheeling node impact extrapolation.   As in, “OK, OK, see this cookie??  Imagine if you will….  chomp chomp… and now due to…. it’s gone… See?”
     Vinny

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    #117737

    Johnny Guilherme
    Participant

    New-VGB
    Do you mean location?? i.e. in what part of the world am I???
    Johnny

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    #117743

    Mr IAM
    Participant

    Darth and Mike,
    Thanks very much for putting together such a complete reply.  It makes me think I am probably better off where I am, in the “corporate” SS world.  I really like the people side of problem solving, by that I mean the interaction during training, project mentoring.  Although I get sick of the corporate BS, I suppose everyone does…  Sometimes I think I would enjoy training full time, now I get to do about 2 full sessions per year…. which is enough to keep me interested but, more would be better.
    Anyway, thanks for the thoughtful responses….

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    #117760

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Annonymous,
    Making the statement “Without intending to be confronting …..” does not turn a confrontational statement into a non-confrontational statement it just makes you look like a wimp. That was confrontational and feel free to take it that way.
    The big boys you are so emphatuated with on the border of the page – one can actually put together a claim that they have been at Six Sigma longer than at least two of us that post here regularly and their claim doesn’t really hold water. Darth has a long and distinguished career in consulting and the Six Sigma industry is better off with him involved. So if can fix your inverted posture you may actually be able to learn something more than Six Sigma from him.
    I picked up a little montra a couple years back “Success is living life on your own terms.” I try to do that. How I do that isn’t any of your business. If you don’t like it don’t hire us. If I choose to spend some time off on the Discussion Forum – that isn’t any of your business either until you start paying my bills.
    As far as the possibility of you actually understanding anything about business – when you equate the purchase of advertising space to being a bonified business you answered that question – no clue. I am sure the folks at iSixSigma appreciate your new definition for bonifide.

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    #117761

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Joy,
    Thank you for the compliment.
    It is good tho know you are still ou there. I hope things are going well for you and the family.
    I have a new email address: [email protected].
    Regards,
    Mike

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    #117762

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Johnny,
    I’m glad Ulices could help you out. I will be down ther in about 12 days (only when the flat beds are available on Virgin Atlantic). I would love to see what you guys have going.
    I will be in you hemishere for about 6 weeks so we should be able to figure out a time to catch up with each other.
    Regards

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    #117763

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Republic of South Africa (RSA)

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    #117764

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Mr. IAM,
    You’re welcome. That is just the way we do it. Other companies may be different.
    I try not to do any more training than I have to. I like the project work.
    There isn’t anything wrong with the corporate lifestyle. It is certainly a more benign environment for having a family. Just stick with the “Success is living life on your own terms.”
    I saw something on that Mathew McCaunaghy (spelling) road trip. He kind of does the same thing. His company is call KO Livin (keep on Livin’) or something like that. Set your own specs and don’t worry about the rest of the world.
    Take care.
    Regards

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    #117768

    Darth
    Participant

    Wow, don’t know how I missed this thread. A few thoughts.
    1. Why are we still doing what we do? Why does Mel Gibson still get up before dawn, spend hours putting on makeup, travel the world and put up with the rigors of making a film. Does he have to? No, he loves what he does and does it for many reasons other than money. We “pace the classroom” and “beat the road” because that is what we enjoy and we haven’t found anything else we would rather do at the moment.
    2. Since you have absolutely no idea as to our individual successes or failures in business or elsewhere your comment about offering excuses is irrelevant and without being confrontational, stupid. And frankly, what we have or have not done financially is of little concern to you or this public Forum. And I am not sure I agree that the teachings of SS expound continually growing the financial success on a corporate scale.
    3. Why doesn’t Michael George, or Mr. Rath or Dr. Juran or any of the “business principles” participate in this forum? Frankly, I think many of us wonder why we participate given some of the threads and questions. But, for some reason, many of us feel that it is part of our reason for being in the field and for somehow furthering its success. The business principles you refer to believe they can be of more influence by writing books and giving mass lectures at conferences. Many of us have done that but feel our role is at this micro level dealing with individuals. We opt to spend our time that way while others take different paths to enlightening the world about Six Sigma. And your contribution has been….? Please refresh my memory.

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    #117805

    Annonymous
    Participant

    Yes you may be right. But placing second or third or even
    fourth [or less] is certainly not OK for many. Maybe the
    journey was enlightening, perhaps even fun. But it is
    rather funny how society consistently celebrates the
    winners. Is this true for fourth place? My understanding
    is that six sigma is about being best-in-class, not second-
    in-class or third-in-class. No one has addressed the
    issue of why the big guns don’t post on this forum. Do you
    really wonder why?

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    #117807

    Darth
    Participant

    Nope

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    #117846

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Annonymous,
    There you go again “big guns.” Your measurement scale is?
    These are privately held companies and you have no clue what the financials are. If you did you would understand your comment is ridiculous. I book about 40% of the revenue of one of the advertisers and deliver it with 85% less people. One of the advertisers is owned by a former BB that Stan and I certified. At least 2 of the advertisers were Change Management consultants and miraculously became Six Sigma consultants after their book was published. One broke into the business when Stan and I did the binomial distribution thing in Montreal and we told the customer it was a mismatch.
    You should be trying to hear from people like Joy Cowling, Jim Athon, Barbara Wheat, Rob Tripp, Adam Bowden, Cary Paulin, Phil Lowe, Gary Cone, Rod Howes, Ken Bechard, Lance Jensen, Ray Everhart, Rochelle and Peter Tibbits, Jeff Heslop, Paul Trotochaud, Dr. Shree Nanguneri, Ulices Calderon, Scot Shank and various other individuals who actually know how to deliver results.

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    #117861

    Annonymous
    Participant

    It seems I have inadvertently struck a sour chord within
    Mr. Mike Carnell and a couple of other guns-for-hire that
    hangout on this forum. From the little guy point of view
    what he says is rational and reasonable, even defensible.
    The ability to efficaciously provide someone advice or
    elevate small groups of people to a reasonable level of
    application competency is an admirable thing. But from a
    big guy perspective it is even more admirable if that same
    gun-for-hire could demonstrate the ability to establish and
    grow an enterprise with the capability and capacity to
    globally leverage the power of its principals and provide
    its market base with an unsurpassed level of value over
    the long haul. Perhaps I do not fully grasp the mission
    and business aims of six sigma. My understanding is that
    six sigma is a system of business management that is
    designed to make a decisive improvement in an
    organization’s pattern of strategic growth while
    concurrently enhancing its operational efficiency. This
    means top end growth and bottom end improvement. The
    path to this vision would strongly suggest that an
    organization focus on developing its human resource in
    the art, science and practice of six sigma. Through this
    process the organization is then able to impregnate its
    culture with the strategic ideas and tactical tools it needs
    to fully develop vertical and horizontal leadership that can
    orchestrate a simultaneous and coordinated assault on
    improving innovation, waste, quality, speed and a host of
    other such vital signs. Through this process the
    organization is then able to muster a competitive
    advantage, no different than the advantage one sports
    team might have over the other competing teams. When
    this winning set of conditions is present the advantaged
    team usually prevails, barring random chance
    occurrences and acts of God. During my career I have
    not encountered any CEO or C-Suite executive that
    believes that snatching second or third place is OK. The
    goal of a business is always to win, from every
    perspective including that of the customers and
    shareholders. These big guns we refer to are surely
    occupied with higher order business activities, leaving the
    lower order contributions to those so inclined to provide
    free advice on website forums. The big guy advice seems
    to come out through television specials, popular books
    and notable magazines. By why expect anything
    different. The big guy media is just another form of
    strategic leveraging versus tactical assistance such as
    provided on this forum. I have no difficulty accepting my
    station as one of the little guys, but I always aspire to the
    top. Acceptance of one’s current station in life coupled
    with the power of humility s always the starting point for
    transforming the ordinary into the extraordinary. Try it,
    you too might find such success on a larger scale.

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    #117904

    McD
    Participant

    But placing second or third or even fourth [or less] is certainly not OK for many
    There was a time, long, long ago, when I wanted to be president of a very large company.  After all, who would want to be vice president?  It’s second best.  But as I understood the world, and myself, better, I realized that the job would be no fun, and I wasn’t willing to pay the price to get there anyway.
    Some very competitive people have to be first to stroke their egos.  Others need to amass huge sums of money.  But just like every project isn’t the same, so every person isn’t the same.  I really like Mike’s statement about living life on your own terms.  Each of us has a different set of things that make life fun.  And in my mind, success is having fun.
    For a lot of people, building a company isn’t fun.  For a lot of people, dealing with corporate politics isn’t fun.  For some, though, it is a small price to pay to get to the top.  Others are not willing to pay that price.
    Consulting is a lot like that.  Hanging out there without support, erratic schedules, long hours getting abused by the airlines, many late dinners alone … for some, this isn’t a price they are willing to pay.
    But for some, that price is invisible compared to the satisfaction you get when you see a new Black Belt take flight.  Or when yet another company “gets it” and starts down the path to becoming more effective, more competitive, and more fun.
    Like Brother Smith used to say,  à chaque oiseau son nid est beau.
    As far as why the big guns don’t post, well, I think they do.  But the very largest firms aren’t about facilitating change.  The Carnell’s and Darth’s of this forum obviously get a lot of satisfaction from leaving behind a trail of places that are better for them having been there.  The large houses are all about billable hours.  They are solving a different problem, and have little to offer here.
    –McD
     

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    #117907

    Annonymous
    Participant

    Mr. McD. As I said, some are OK with second, third, fourth
    or less. Sounds like you made that decision. Your
    dissertation was a nice heart felt rationalization (reasons).
    If you’re happy, then may the force be with you. Some
    want to play and other want to win. So why don’t
    professional sport players adopt your philosophy? After
    all, they do enjoy the game, so second place is OK, right ?

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    #117908

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    Running a business is different with run like a consultant. Those people you see here in this forum are egocentirc consultants without the good business acumen.

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    #117909

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    I know some businessmen, their principle is simple. They do not wasting time in any activities without gaining any financial return for them. In six sigma term, your efforts must creat measurable results to you and your company.
    These egocentric consultants feel insulted if you call them bad businessmen.

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    #117910

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    In short, six sigma consultants (including myself) fail miserably to apply six sigma principle to nurture their own business.
    Those listed at the top and bottom of this forum are not big guns in term of consulting business. A US company uses my part-time service have 3000+ full-time consultants. 
     

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    #117920

    Darth
    Participant

    Dog, since you were quick to make such declarative dogmatic (no pun intended) statements regarding the financial acumen of such consultants as Stan, Carnell, myself and possibly others, please provide the sources of information that you used.  In other words, please provide current income levels, profit levels, D&B ratings and current state of our business and personal financial status.  Also please provide business backgrounds on all of us to support your assumptions of poor business acumen.  What business have we run, if any?  What business have we built and sold, if any?  What are our net worths, if any?  Certainly you don’t want to look like a total ass in making your assertions, do you?  I look forward to your enlightened response.
     

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    #117922

    Annonymous
    Participant

    To Dog Sxxt. You are exactly right. As Darth chooses to
    make his case by referencing specific people (such as
    himself), I elect to keep things more clean and dignified
    by simply refering to this group as the Pebble Kings. As
    you (and all of us know) they are Kings-of-the-Pebbles.
    Beyond this is a land of Kings-of-the-Boulders, and then
    the pinnacle, Kings-of-the Hill. The more vertically
    oriented consultants are on the right, plain and simple.
    Lower level practioners consult to novices and process-
    level people who gather data, crunch numbers, twist
    knobs and make targeted improvements. This is a good
    thing because they too need consulting help with their
    objectives. But Kings-of-the Hill usually consult to their
    counterpart Kings-of-the Hill, or those supporting Kings-
    of-the Hill. For sure this does not happen within this
    forum. They are strategic and innovative thinkers that
    facilitate a corporation’s destiny. These Kings set the
    pace that others like the Pebble Kings follow. The Pebble
    Kings don’t invent, they implement. Unfortunately, they
    see themselves as highly innovative consultants that are
    on the cusp of breakthrough, but still practice DMAIC,
    Black Belt Certification, and all the other markers that
    define six sigma as we know it today (that others created
    and pioneered). No, we don’t know any of the personal
    demographics that Darth challenges you with knowing.
    But then again, we don’t need to know. His time spent
    answering process-level questions on this forum says it
    all. This quantitative fact alone is enough to make Dog
    Sxxt’s case. Nothing wrong with this. But when one can
    not attest to their own station in life it can often be a
    leading indicator of hypocracy and delusions of gradure.
    I am not a King-of-the-Hill. At best I am only a Prince-of-
    Sand, but I do know what constitutes business success
    and its sure not what the Kings-of-Pebbles has been
    promoting in this forum. Again I say, How many football
    teams would agree that second or third place is OK ?

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    #117923

    Darth
    Participant

    I am still trying to figure out your problem or issue.  You stated:
    No, we don’t know any of the personal demographics that Darth challenges you with knowing. But then again, we don’t need to know. His time spent answering process-level questions on this forum says it all. This quantitative fact alone is enough to make Dog Sxxt’s case.
    Sure, we don’t need no stink’in data.  We can use our opinions to support our argument.  Brilliant quantitative analysis correlating time spent answering Forum questions with business acumen.  If we spent the same time working at the United Way, would that make us brilliant financiers? 
    My measured response to Dog was related to his claim that all consultants that post on the Forum are egocentric and of poor financial acumen.  Of course you said he can’t possibly know nor does he need facts to support that claim.  His poorly written statement is sufficient to make it the truth.  Some SS professional you are. 
    So, what’s your issue?  Are all posters losers and third rate professionals because they post here?  Are all consultants egocentric and financial idiots?  You seem to be making many statements on our behalf as to what we believe and how we think.  Using stupid comments referring to pebbles and boulders does not make your argument any more truthful.  Who are these mystical people you want to see post here?  Who are your idols?  Why don’t you just pose a specific question or state a specific hypothesis so we can engage in an intelligent dialog.  I know……you can’t.  You apparently have some issue, as others posters have noted, that has nothing to do with what you are stating. 
    Oh, and just for the record.  The fact is, that at least one of the people that has been referenced sold a successful business at 32 and retired to explore other adventures.  The fact is, that at least one of the people that has been referenced ran a major and successful division at a major company.  The fact is, that at least two possibly three of the people that have been referenced founded and eventually sold off, for a very nice sum of money, a highly successful consulting practice. 
    Finally, as Carnell reprimanded you in an earlier post, referring to people as Pebble Kings does not necessarily make it “more clean and dignified”.  You have some extreme hostility with its origin still unknown and stated.  Once we are able to understand where this is coming from possibly we can answer your questions and help you with your problem.

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    #117924

    Annonymous
    Participant

    To Mr. Darth. From what I can see, Mr. Carnell did not
    respond to my post involving the idea of Pebble Kings.
    Are you in error here, or did you let some kind of cat out of
    the bag?

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    #117925

    Annoymous
    Participant

    Mr. Darth. You seek my contribution. OK. I just posted an
    set of questions concerning an interesting metric called
    overall equipment effectiveness OEE. So let us dialogue
    on a professional level and enlighten the knowledge-
    seeking members of this forum. Let us discuss the
    applied and theoretical implications of this metric (if any).
    Judging by some of your posts, you will be able to discuss
    this topic at a statistical and mathematical level, but even
    money has it that a couple of your collegues will not be
    able to keep up. Now is the chance. You and I will now
    step forward and give this forum their money’s worth
    instead of verbal lashings, references to stupidity and
    public humiliations that some of the consultants offer to
    mask their long-term low-grade knowledge base. Yes,
    this is a challenge for those you reference to also jump
    into this disucssion. Once we have disected OEE, you
    pick the topic. Lets introduce some innovation rather than
    intimidation.

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    #117927

    Darth
    Participant

    Annoymous(sic),First of all, it is Dr. Darth.  Second, after reading your original OEE post, I assume English is not your first language or possibly your second.  If not, that is fine.  If it is, your grammar and spelling represents one not totally comfortable with expressing him/herself in a written format thereby making it difficult to follow your thoughts and reasoning.  Third, Dr. Vinny seems to have provided a quick and coherent response to your original post on OEE.  I am puzzled about your desire to debate the topic.  A search of Google yielded:
     5,290,000 for Overall Equipment Effectiveness. (0.80 seconds) 
    What is there to debate? 
    Finally, I asked you some very pointed questions after numerous aspersions upon myself and others.  Until we deal with those or you recant your derogatory comments, it would be inappropriate to engage in any further debate with you, regardless of the subject.  Let’s bring some closure to the previous discussion before venturing off onto another.

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    #117929

    Markert
    Participant

    Mr. Annoy; is it OK if I call you Mr. Annoy? I don’t want to refer to you as Mr. Anonymous, which would be the correct spelling of a word in the English language, but I really don’t want to get into the habit of spelling that particular word Annoymous, or the other variations you’ve used. Thanks.
    Mr. Annoy, you unmasked me; I have recently obtained the MiJones spelling cards, but have no idea how to spell this OEE you refer to–I have mastered the DMAIC, yet I am unable to keep up as you have noted. The shame and humiliation that overwhelms me…
    Mr. Annoy, please help me. This OEE, is it like E – EYE – E – EYE -O, does it have something to do with farming? I don’t think we’ve ever had a Six Sigma question dealing with farming. Can you send me a case study? Are you interested in our Dr. H. Manure Spreader to use on the farm?
    However, Mr. Annoy, as a likely Johnny Comelately, why the edge? Or are you just a former poster tormented enough to return, with courage and time on his/her hands, planning to stay around only long enough until you are whisked away under your poorly spelled screen name? 

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    #117930

    Annoymous
    Participant

    Mr. Darth. Thank you for your cooperation and
    academically satisfying discussion. The understandings
    you point to, but fail to discuss, must be stealthly
    embedded in the advanced degree you so humbly
    reference. Your charm and command presence is most
    evident, enriching and intellectually stimulating. I would
    also like to thank Mr. Vinny for his innovative discussion
    about OEE. I feel confident that the field of six sigma will
    be at a loss without your continued innovative and
    inventive contributions.

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    #117931

    Annonymous
    Participant

    Mr. Phil. Thank you for your contribution and commentary
    related to my recent posts. Your openess and kindness is
    most appreciated. Seems that some of the other self-
    embedded consultants at this forum don’t really want
    anyone to challenge their thinking or stale ideas. I am
    sure you have some innventive things and innovative
    ideas. Please share them as we are your humble
    students.

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    #117950

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    I hope you know whether a nobel price winner or a beggar, both are sharing one common thing, only own 24 hours per day.
    As a consultant, you shall know how to compute your personal income, that is number of consulting day multiple daily pay rate. My lean six sigma associate can make USD 200,000++ per year in Asia. This is best he can make because he has no excess time to handle more projects.
    Your mindset is totally in the different world, not in the real business world. If you are the boss for 3000+ or 30+ consultants consulting company, then I will rate you as a businessman with good business acument. Imagine 30 consultants are making money for you, this is called business.
    Are you able to creat one million wealth per year for your pocket? Answer this question will answer all your questions. Hardly you can by working as a consultant for others like George, etc.
    Mike Harry, George Box etc. are businessmen, you, Carnell and Stan are not in their category.
     
    .

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    #117951

    Paul Gibbons
    Participant

    This is getting very boring now.ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzz
    Can we not leave the egos out of this conference?
    As Oscar Wilde said: “Arguments are to be avoided; they are always vulgar and often convincing”
    Paul

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    #117952

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    Those smart and egocentric consultants think they are smarter than employer.
    They do not know how to compute their time payback period and return actually.  I want to challange those consultant disagree with me, please quantified “satisfaction” in dollars and cents like in the six sigma projects coached by them.
    I would say those losers in the business world would say satisfaction is what they want in their life. A blatant excuse!

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    #117953

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    Just swallow your pride and don’t simply equal any dissenting view displeasure you as a derogatory remark.

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    #117956

    Paul Gibbons
    Participant

    Dear Dog,
    Could I make a suggestion. Perhaps some manners and writing in English that is understandable would get you the answer that you want. At the moment you are making yourself look like an illiterate thug.
    Winston Churchill once said “I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals”.
     
    Why don’t you be a pig instead of a dog, that will increase your chances of being a cat which is where I think you want to be ;¬)
    Paul
     
     

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    #117957

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    Meaning you pick a dog to be  your president. Bush made more grammar mistakes than me. LOL
     

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    #117958

    Paul Gibbons
    Participant

    You are mistaken,
    I am not American but from a much greater country. So great, we put great in our country’s name.Our leader is a pussy cat.
    Where are you from?
    Let me guess….. A non native speaker, obviously does not like yanks, political issues, chip on the shoulder, frequents the conference around GMT daytime. Are you from the middle east by any chance?
    Paul

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    #117959

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    Go attack Annoymous’s viewpoints instead of his/her writing grammar and spelling errors. If this is a yardstick you used to measure a poster, then I would rather like to say you pick a wrong person to be your President. Mind you, Bush cannot speak better English than many non-English speakers.
     

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    #117960

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    Huh..from a country greater than America, you must be from the outer space. BTW, a majority of American people are nicher to deal than many people from other countries.

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    #117961

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    Firstly, many real smart people do not see this simple fact. Secondly, you see it but to make it happen is another big challenge.
    In many real cases, real smart people are working for not-so-smart people.
     

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    #117962

    Paul Gibbons
    Participant

    Dear Dog,
    There are nice people and dogs in most countries ;¬)
    Paul

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    #117970

    BTDT
    Participant

    Just so you all know, the work mark “BlackBelt Pig” is trademarked. So you can’t use it until you get written permission from about 15 lawyers who, quite frackly, have no intention of returning your calls.http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=gfl7ef.17.1At least the disclaimer statesNO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE “PIG” APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN.;) BTDT

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    #117972

    Adam L Bowden
    Participant

    Nice !!!
    Can I order one ????
    Best regards,
    Adam
     

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    #117974

    Mikel
    Member

    Mr Anonymous (sp?) Reigle,
    I have watched this diatribe of yours for days now. You have never, ever led any of this. Where does that put you in this stupid pebble discussion of yours?

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    #117976

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    Only loser will do that…shame on you.

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    #117977

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    How can be a renowed six sigma consultant be so childish and racist? You are showing your true color after being challenged with real tests from annoyomous and you have no intelligent and maturity to take it.
    Only poor guy has to resorting to this kind of kid posting to insult Chinese.   

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    #117978

    Mikel
    Member

    I agree with Dog, this is in bad taste.

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    #117979

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    Stan, you are much matured than this fella although I have rated you as not a good businessman. I always respect your technical knowledge.

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    #117980

    Mikel
    Member

    Not a good businessman? I am interested in how you reached this conclusion.
    Is it because I would rather garden? or is it because I often help people for free?

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    #117988

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    I would rather to say no real businessman come here to help people for free. Besides, a businessman will make use (or leverage) other people valuable time to make money for them.   

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    #117989

    Mikel
    Member

    I have to agree with you.

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    #117992

    Darth
    Participant

    Besides, a businessman will make use (or leverage) other people valuable time to make money for them.
    Hey Dog, check out the definition of PIMP.

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    #117995

    Jim Bossert
    Participant

    Darth, you still tell it like it is.  I hope all is well. Have a Don Julio on me…
     

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    #117997

    Darth
    Participant

    Hey JB good to hear from you.  Hope things are good although the rumor mill indicates it might be a downer.  Lots of changes.  Send me your phone number via [email protected] and lets chat.

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    #118003

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    They are in business trade and most likely is declared illegal in most countries.  They are prefectly legal businessmen in Netherland. The moral is they are still smarter than many six sigma consultants when come to making money.

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    #118004

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    Not a real businessman is nothing harm to our life. I have to compliment you and others (except Carnel) for doing free service here and still not doing any self-promotion.  Keep on your free and great serivce since it benefiting a lot of people.

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    #118020

    howe
    Participant

    Dr Darth
    Thanks for your inputs. Sounds very interesting.
    How will will lean consulting go for a six sigma MBB who is exposed to banking & manufacturing assuming that the firm is in the big 5
    Thanks…neil

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    #118131

    Obiwan
    Participant

    Mr. Annoy (as some have referred to you, particularly given your spelling and grammar issues)
    Your post is disturbing.  I realize that I am another “johnny-come-lately” in this forum, but I gather from you that the only measure of success is building a successful business.  I hope that all practitioners of the quality arts and sciences realize that this is a false thought.
    I do not know Mr. Carnell, or many of the others, but I have the pleasure (usually) of knowing Dr. Darth.  Amusingly, he and I were supposed to become mortal enemies (both by our nickname and our mutual supervisor at the time!), but we did not.  We learned that we do similar things in different ways.  And, his dedication to the quality arts and sciences surpasses many “gurus” that I have had the pleasure of meeting.  Considering that he speaks highly of Mr. Carnell (and others), I would put them in the same category.
    It is a much larger person that realizes what their role/responsibility is within their profession.  Most people simply blindly climb the organizational ladder until they reach the axe that cuts their head off.  Darth, and others, did not allow this to happen.  They reviewed their position within their lives and made positive decisions about their future.
    Alternatively, there are many “great” people that moved on to become educators, whether as a consultant or as an actual teacher.  This is another path to success, and you will build no business here typically!
    Mr. Annoy…I would ask you to think more broadly about your definition of success.  If you blindly follow the corporate path, you will find that, by your definition of success, there is an extremely miniscule group of successful people that actually make it to the top.
    Obiwan

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    #118159

    Darth
    Participant

    Hey Obie, thanks for the kinds words.  Just thought of you a few minutes ago.  Tonight is the opening of a huge Star Wars convention here in the town I am working.  Many of the participants are staying at my hotel.  It is fascinating to see most of our group wandering around in full regalia.  I think I will wander over tomorrow night and see if I can’t snag a few Darth items or maybe even a Princess Leia.  Incest is OK when the Darkside rules.  Hope all is well with you.  Heard through the grapevine that one of the group now works for you.  GOOD LUCK. 

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    #118173

    Obiwan
    Participant

    Darth
    Shoot me an email (you remember the address, I am sure) and let me know your current one.
    Obiwan

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    #118175

    Darth
    Participant

    Sorry Obiwan, forgot it.  You can reach me at my alternate address of [email protected]
    Look forward to hearing from you.

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    #118192

    Your Fan
    Member

    Dear Philosopher Obiwan,
     
    Please tell us where you are now! Are you at the same place that your “friend” used to be or did you move on too?
     
    Please tell us so we can follow you since you are so wise and have so much to offer.

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    #118354

    Obiwan
    Participant

    A scary question…sounds very Stalker-ish!  But, yes, I am still where I met my “friend.”  Where are you?
    Obiwan

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