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  • #53214

    Jesse James
    Participant

    Is Stan a real person or not?

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    #188976

    Truth Teller
    Member

    The guy on the phone was certainly a person. But we can’t be sure who it was or where they were calling from. His answers seemed compatible with his online postings so maybe he is one of Mike Carnell’s ghost writers.Oh well, it isn’t that important and tomorrow will be an interesting day in which we might actually learn some things, unlike that session with the Unusual Suspects.

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    #188978

    Jesse James
    Participant

    Just the fact the someone called in on the phone and claimed to be Stan raises a red flag. And why were Darth and the others hiding behind a curtain? I think my hypothesis is correct thus far.

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    #188979

    Mikel
    Member

    Stan is a figment of my imagination although the opinions and
    sentiments expressed are real, the persona is not.The person on the phone and the fool who uses the name Stan are
    the same person. Why would any other human being take credit for
    that?

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    #188985

    Severino
    Participant

    Just out of curiosity, why create a persona or even hide details about who you are? 

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    #188989

    Mikel
    Member

    Gee Jsev607, I can’t imagine why someone might do that.

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    #188993

    Severino
    Participant

    If you’re referring to my posting name, I consider it a little different than going by the name Stan on account of the following:

    I utilize the same name everywhere, so if I were looked up on networking sites (i.e. facebook, linkedin, etc.) I’m easily found
    The handle actually contains elements of my first name and last name (my understanding, though I may be wrong, is that Stan is not your name at all)
    I’m far less interesting and far less knowledgeable therefore noone gives a rats arse who I am anyway.  The same cannot be said of you, as evidenced by the fact that you were asked to participate in a discussion panel.

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    #188994

    Mikel
    Member

    That’s a fairly thin distinction.The answer to the question you asked is simple. I intentionally put
    some controversial comments out there. I intentionally go after
    some people that are either promoting themselves or some self
    serving point of view that in the end makes absolutely no
    difference.I make a living doing this. I cause enough problems for myself with
    my customers without having to explain things that don’t have a
    thing to do with them.Could I do it differently? Yes, Mike Carnell does a nice job of it.
    Every year or so I drop the persona and post as me only to get
    embroiled in some stupid thread with folks that don’t really know
    or care to know. When this forum starts respecting straight up
    advice and can filter the charlatans, I’ll step up and be as big a man
    as Mike.

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    #189004

    Taylor
    Participant

    JJ
    It doesn’t take alot of searching on this site or on the web to figure who Stan is and that he is not Mike Carnell or Fake Mike or Darth or HBGB or Stevo or MBBinWI or any of the other guys/gals he has been accused of being. Go Search and you will see grasshopper.

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    #189007

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    Hey, Stan:  Looks like he’s about 12 miles from where I am – want I should go give him a ‘Jersey “talkin’ to?”

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    #189011

    Taylor
    Participant

    Stan
    Would you say that this is your moto:
    Partnership with some of the best change implementers in the past quarter century, but we don’t suffer fools lightly. We deal only with those we trust that are clearly able to articulate who they are and what they need to be

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    #189012

    Mikel
    Member

    Sounds good to me. Wish it were only 25 though, I’d be younger and I wouldn’t be in
    physical rehab right now.

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    #189017

    Mikel
    Member

    I stand corrected. Congratulations on the promotion.

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    #189018

    Mikel
    Member

    Nah, he’s just a pup.Besides he usually is helpful on here and he went to Rutgers

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    #189020

    GB
    Participant

    Hey Chad,
    I was hoping to see ya out here, Brother.Would like to have you join in on the panel.

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    #189027

    Truth Teller
    Member

    Oh well, another frivolous thread involving Stan.  Who cares what his real name is or whether he is a real person?  His answers yesterday on the phone call in were only slightly less terse and unhelpful as his posts.
    If you saw how much Mike Carnell has been eating you would understand why he is a “big person”.  Today’s activities were interesting.  Seems Stan won Most Prolific Poster.  That was to be expected but if you subtract all one word posts and those referring to someone as “honey” would he still have won?  Some guy called Robert Butler won Most Helpful Poster.  I will assume that is his real name rather than just one more of Mike Carnell’s split personalities.  In searching the archives, I only see a few posts by Butler and only on the subjects of regression and related topics.  Those few demonstrate deep knowledge in those fields but given the limited range of posting does he really qualify as Most Helpful?  Of course, as predicted, Stan wasn’t there to receive his award.  Still in his wheelchair I presume.  Butler was a no show as well.  Still no sign of the Unusual Suspects although Stevo did offer to buy me a beer but I haven’t seen any name tags with Stevo on it.  I did see one Steve from some banking company but he sure didn’t look like he would be the type to post.

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    #189028

    UoCS
    Member

    Do you listen to Art Bell?
    or…..
    Are you Jim Garrison?

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    #189029

    Truth Teller
    Member

    I have not said anything that would lead one to believe that there is anything going on that is paranormal in nature. Nor do I see a conspiracy under every rock. I do see some sleight of hand and some smoke and mirrors.

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    #189030

    UoCS
    Member

    That may be true, but usually there’s a precipitous tipping point between “intellectual curiosity” and “tinfoil hat”. 
     

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    #189032

    Mikel
    Member

    No wheelchair, just the usual precautions about travel following
    surgery, thank you.You comment about Mike is uncalled for.

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    #189033

    Mikel
    Member

    Hey TT, rumor is we all know you and you’ll revealed yourself to one
    of us. I certainly hope that’s not true.

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    #189034

    Taylor
    Participant

    HB
    Wish I could have joined, but my days are currently consumed with job searching. Long Story………..From the readin I see its been a blast.

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    #189035

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    Black Knights are better than scarlett any day.

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    #189039

    Darth
    Participant

    TT,
    I just got back up to my room and have caught up with today’s postings. First of all, your incessant paranoia and fixation with Mike is getting very tiresome. We have tried to find you a number of times but you are MIA. The iSixSigma staff including founder Mike Cyger will gladly confirm that we are all distinct individuals with our own unique personalities. As a Dr., I recommend that you up your meds or go in search of the Loch Ness Monster.Secondly, your comment regarding Mike Carnell was inappropriate. Mike has been very professional all week. His Client won best startup company and he is the genuine article. Despite your baseless assertions, Mike works alone and has had extensive impact on a large part of the SS community. The rest of us consider ourselves lucky to be his friend.Finally, you started off providing useful posts but have gotten off track and are focusing on things which are unimportant. I hope you can restore your focus. I would also expect you to apologize to Mike. He did not deserve your sarcasm.

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    #189042

    Chris Seider
    Participant

    I used to be not considerate of those others who struggled with casts or crutches in public.  However, after my freak accident, getting an old fashioned plaster cast and then soon after getting jostled by airport skycaps, getting accomodated by two consecutive overnight international flights, I realize how inconvenient it is to not have one of our halves working on our bodies.  Until one has broken a leg, ankle, foot preventing proper walking, one doesn’t appreciate the challenges of day to day activities.
    CONSIDERATION is the secret password of the day. 

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    #189045

    Truth Teller
    Member

    Darth,After reading your response a few times and reflecting upon my post, it appears that I have made the fatal error of slipping into a behavior which I took exception to when you, Stan and others post. After observing and unbeknownst to him, speaking to him I agree that he did not deserve my insult. He appears to be a gentleman and observing his interactions with those around him, he seems to be genuinely liked and respected by the SS community.You, Stan and the others are a different matter. Unfortunately, I will be going to Asia for a few weeks so please don’t interpret my absence as anything other than pressing business needs and distant time zones.

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    #189046

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    TT:
    1. You still didn’t apologize to Mike C.
    2. Posters receive the response here that they deserve.  Post an intelligent question that shows you’ve done your due diligence to find the answer yourself, and you’ll get a helpful response.  Post a childish query and don’t absorb the intelligent replies you receive, and you’ll be treated like the 2 yr old you portray.  Waste our time with non-sense and we’ll waste yours in return.

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    #189047

    Mikel
    Member

    TT you are just a jerkCome introduce yourself Have bxlls enough to go apologize like a man to Mike.

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    #189048

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    Dude – good luck, it’s still tough out there.

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    #189049

    Mikel
    Member

    Drop me a line – you know how to find me

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    #189050

    Mikel
    Member

    TT honey,You acted like a man instead of a weasel yet?You know where to find Mike, have you talked to him yet?

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    #189051

    Truth Teller
    Member

    You suggested that I have some bxxls and introduce myself. Of course you were not referring to introducing myself to you since you aren’t here. If you mean Mike Carnell, I will seek him out tomorrow morning at breakfast. I thought that my admission of transgression and error was sufficient to indicate I may have stepped over my personal bounds but certainly not of the Forum. I take it that the use of “Honey” is not a word of endearment but a word to be used in scorn and insult. I said I was wrong in making the joke about Mike. I don’t feel it requires any great apology or absolution from the Pope. Personal insults far greater than mine have permeated this site, many of which have come from you and your Unusual Suspects. After seeing Mike Carnell in action this week, I now respect him enough to know that he couldn’t possibly be Stan/Darth/MBBinWI/Stevo/HBGB. I consider this matter closed and if Mike reads this thread, I am sure he will feel likewise.

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    #189052

    Mikel
    Member

    You are a joke and a liar.You made your stupid comment about Mike after all of your contact
    with him.I’ll make a deal with you. Introduce yourself to one of my friends
    tomorrow morning, there are at least a dozen to choose from and
    not hard to find, Give them some reason to believe you’ll be there
    and I’ll meet you by mid day. No problem. Against doctors advice
    but some things are just worth it.Deal big man?

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    #189053

    Truth Teller
    Member

    So my joke about Mike is raising such ire but your direct insults are permissible. Certainly seems to be a double/triple standard being applied here. I certainly don’t need your intervention or any of your friends. I will look up Mike and iron out any issues between us. You won’t come to Miami Beach to participate in your session nor be here to pick up your award yet you will fly against doctor’s orders to pick a fight with a stranger.I am also curious who appointed you Mike’s protector and henchman. Is he asking you to intercede on his behalf or are you doing this on your own? I believe that if Mike was personally upset that he would not hesitate to address the issue directly. He seems more than capable of dealing with this simple situation without the need for a duel with his second and posse. I will give him that opportunity tomorrow. While I appreciate your invitation to meet the renowned Stan, I need to remind you that the session ends tomorrow at noon and I will be long gone. I am not sure I can explain a change fee to my manager with the reason being that I had to hang around to fight with Stan. How about we just meet at the OK Corral at high noon? Ten paces and we turn. Oh wait, that will be awkward in your condition. Let’s reschedule for when you are more ambulatory.By the way, it is too bad that you didn’t attend this week. With Super Bowl this weekend, the action here is picking up and sights are certainly getting interesting. Hope you feel better and we can continue this at next year’s conference.

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    #189055

    Mikel
    Member

    TT,I am not picking any fight. You’ve worn out your welcome. It’s time
    for you to go.Justify your actions any way you want, it’s still time to go.Iron out your differences with Mike, I’ll bet you are not man
    enough.Be glad to meet you tomorrow, be glad to show you the door. Just
    let me know.

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    #189056

    Severino
    Participant

    Killing with kindness takes a lot longer and is far less entertaining. 
    As Shewhart did, I believe data has no meaning apart from it’s context and so it is difficult for me to simply learn and apply the tools of Lean, SS or any other continuous improvement philosophy without understanding the circumstances, individuals, and ethos which lead to their development.  It’s insufficient in my eyes to apply a t-test without understanding who Gosset was or a DoE without understanding what led R.A. Fisher to lay the groundwork.
    It’s very easy to get vague information about the origins of SS and it’s development and deployment through Motorola, Allied, etc.  Within those deployments however a lot of knowledge and wisdom were obtained in the trenches solving unique complex problems.  From the banter within this forum one can begin to understand that a great deal of the aforementioned knowledge and wisdom reside in posters such as yourself and “the usual suspects.”
    Thus I asked my question only to better understand why you would choose to use an alias that creates a barrier for those who would know more.  I appreciate your position in protecting your livelihood.  Cheers.

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    #189057

    Severino
    Participant

    It’s more of a sentence than a promotion, but thanks!

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    #189058

    Severino
    Participant

    You could sell t-shirts with that one…

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    #189061

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    Hey, Jsev – you’re pretty deep, man.  While I am interested in Fisher and how the math was developed for DOE, it certainly isn’t critical to applying the tool effectively.
    Yes, there are those roaming these halls who were witness to the birth of the industry (or at least helped raise the kids).  Unfortunately some of the most recognized names are not the most capable.  Likewise, some of the most capable are not widely recognized. 
    Regardless of all of that, as with any advice (paid or not, and “SS name” or not) you need to evaluate and understand it before looking to apply it.  In this regard, I find the anonymity helpful.  That said, you still must be careful on the board as there are often imposters who assume the nom-de-plume of notable posters and post fellaciously.  As with all – buyer (or reader) beware.

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    #189062

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    Hey, dude – I find myself in A-town for the next few months.  Be glad to chat if you’re interested.

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    #189066

    Craig
    Participant

    Is this a soap opera?

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    #189068

    Mikel
    Member

    Yes and TT and his other well known persona just got written out of
    the scriptToday’s installment flashes back to Miami 2009 to the room of my
    friend Marty. Marty – “who let this obnoxious axxhxxx into the room?”Flash forward Miami 2010 – “wow, why don’t we remember to listen
    to Marty?”

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    #189069

    Mikel
    Member

    BTW – this has nothing to do with Mike. I just don’t like you.

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    #189074

    Stevo
    Member

    Hacl – I agree.  I enjoy a good freakshow, but this one turned sad.  Terrible plot, uninteresting actors and writers who don’t care anymore. 
    Stevo

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    #189076

    Truth Teller
    Member

    Stan,Just to bring some closure to this thread, I met Mike Carnell for breakfast this morning and we had a very nice chat. As I suspected, he did not have an issue with my little joke at his expense. As it turns out, my original hypothesis concerning you/Darth/Stevo/MBBinWI/HBGB is false and has been rejected. Mike is a gentleman and we agreed to try and stay in touch offline.I am heading to the airport in an hour and look forward to a resumption of my posting in a month or so. Good luck to all of you and it has been an interesting experience.

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    #189077

    Pollster
    Participant

    Stan, you just triggered an interesting concept. Possibly the readership could vote for their top five posters in order of preference based on content and helpfulness. We can ignore the nominations for Most Helpful poster by the iSixSigma staff and do our own most popular poster. You, Mike Carnell, Darth, Stevo and HbGb cannot vote. This should be interesting. Let the voting begin. I will compile the results and report it out.

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    #189078

    Mikel
    Member

    So no Emmys fot this one?

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    #189079

    Mikel
    Member

    Ever seen someone tell a joke that they think is funny as heck but no
    one else is laughing?I think you are having that experience.

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    #189085

    Severino
    Participant

    Definetely.  Shoot an e-mail to [email protected].  It’ll probably be sometime next week if that’s alright, this weeks been kinda hectic.

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    #189105

    Craig
    Participant

    Depends which other threads are being considered a nominees. 
    The title of this one is intriguing. It goes back and forth between a sitcom and a soap, so that might ruin its chances.

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