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    john beaudoin
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    Thank you Neil for ponying up the presentation of the card dropping expieriment.  I see this has made you a very popular person.  It’s a good thing you figured out a way to get that thing posted or you would be a busy man.
    The rest of you – I just can’t believe that in the entire body of knowledge out there, only one guy could come up with the layout of a training exercise I could use in a class presentation.  Obviously there were many people in the same boat as me, but with the wealth of MBB’s and trainer consultants out there, I am just amazed Neil is the only person that could come up with something I could use.

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    #74555

    Anonymous
    Participant

    You obviously didn’t check into Breyfogle’s book.

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    #74557

    john beaudoin
    Participant

    I looked into the Breyfogle book.  The problem is I don’t have a copy.  I looked on Amazon.com and the book was $100.  There is a posibility that we might find such a book in the library, however, what we need to present 6-Sigma to the class in a 20 minute presentation the week after next is immediate ideas.  We don’t have the time or money to invest in the book.  If you know of specific examples in this book, could you please type them out or come up with something you could fax me?  I can provide you with a direct e-mail or fax number if you wish.

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    #74562

    Anonymous
    Participant

    Wow, your company will not let you spend $100 on a reference text.  That says a lot about their commitment to Six Sigma.
    Why don’t you give the folks at AAA a call, or e-mail your instructor. I’m sure that they would be willing to help you out.

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    #74564

    john beaudoin
    Participant

    Your missing the point, the company would buy the text, if I was using it for the company.  This is for my personal Organizational Behavior class at the University where I’m working on an MBA.
    As far as the Air Academy goes, we have broken our ties with them and developed our own Six Sigma program in Japan.  Anything I did 2 years ago is now irrelavent.  That is why I’m counting on the hundreds of individuals and consultants to come through like Neil did.

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    #74569

    Lomax
    Participant

    One of the things I try to instill in all my belts during training is that, like Six Sigma, they are not Silver Bullets.  They cannot solve all of the Corporation’s problems by themselves.  Their success will depend on how well they can lead/contribute to a TEAM.  They must be able and willing to share and receive ideas, tools, knowledge, and guidance from people at all levels of the organization when appropriate.  I view this discussion forum in much the same light.  If we, as Six Sigma practicioners, intend to proliferate Six Sigma as a profession and skill, we must set the example by sharing ideas, tools, knowledge, and guidance amongst each other.

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    #74580

    john beaudoin
    Participant

    Thank you again for your fine example.  May it rub off on everyone.  I wonder if a lot of individuals consider some of these training material exercise type things as proprietary, and thus they are very unwilling to share.  For whatever reason, I was supprised at the ratio of inquiries needing the same type of information vs. the reponses offering to help.  Thanks again.
    PS.  Anybody reading this, if you have some details on the M&M candy trials, send them in!

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    #74585

    Matt M
    Participant

    Where is this presentation?

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    #74587

    Cannizzo
    Participant

    Matt,
    Here is the RTY example presentation:
    https://www.isixsigma.com/forum/showmessage.asp?messageID=12326
    Thanks again, Neil!
    –Carol

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    #74589

    GJ
    Participant

    Many of these presentations and “training material exercise type things” are indeed proprietry, and copyright.
    It takes time to think up, test and refine, and write up any such exercise. If this is done as part of consultancy or writing, then the author will expect to be paid for his/her time. If it is done as part of contracted employement, then the material automatically becomes the copyright ownership of the employer.
    I note that the referenced downloadable presentation was written by R Neil Brittain, whilst working for Stevens Aviation, and took almost 5 hours of edit time. I wonder how Stevens Aviation feel about this.
    The fact that so many people want something of value that they themselves cannot or will not produce is the main reason that capitalitic commerce works. Even in eutopian communes where fair exchange bartering works well, you would not live long if you give away something that actually belongs to someone else.

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    #74592

    john beaudoin
    Participant

    I understand your point, GJ.  However, since I am not using the material to do my own consulting or to train anyone at my facility (I’m a Geenbelt and I don’t do training, besides we send people elsewhere for that), I don’t see the harm.  Second, I’m not even teaching a class at the university, I’ve been paired up with a Project Manager from Sprint and a Master Blackbelt from GE to give a presentation for a grade in an MBA class that will teach the rest of the class something they don’t already know and be entertaining in 20 minutes.
    Everyone puts time and effort into helping others on these discussions.  Some are like Jack Welch and have a lot of fun with people and others are like Neil where they do what they can to help.  Some of the questions we answer on this forum could be classified as consulting.  No one ever expects anything in return other than to help people.  You either give the gift of help without expecting anything back, or you give up you services expecting equal or better pay back.  That may be the difference between you and me in how we view people in need.  I’m not saying your wrong, but that you and I don’t see eye to eye in this matter.

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    #74593

    Leung
    Participant

    Well said, GJ. To arbitrarily copy something word for word from a book violates many nations’ copyright laws. Very often a simple search of the Web will turn up a site that has exactly what is needed.

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    #74596

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    John,
    I am alittle surprised you stirred this much stuff up. Didn’t seem like your style.
    As far as copying Breyfogels book – that is a violation of copyright law and I wouldn’t do it for you or anyone else. Yes, I will defend my IP. It is the only thing that a consulting firm actually owns (they do not own people regardless of what some people think) of any value.
    The M&M exercise: I never saw it for RTY. I use it for Attribute R&R. If I am doing the short version (Typically for champions and managers so you will need to talk slower) I will put 5 of each color M&M in some cups (number them) and have a team of at least 3 people inspect them for defects. The inspection criteria is 1. Colorful 2. Clearly marked. They will complain about the criteria but it is comparable to what process folks get. Have them record the number of defects. When everyone is done swap the cups with other teams. Repeat the exercise. On a flip chart record the results by cup and by team. The point is it does not repeat frequently. There is typically at least one team that will decide the brown ones are not colorful and some will reject the marking because they have W’s instead of M’s. You will make the point.
    Long version: If you want to do an actual R&R study. Get a piece of tape (double sided) put 30 M&M’s on the tape. Before the class have a team decide on the “true state of nature” and record it. Run the strips of tape same as the short version criteria. Plug the data into Minitab and crunch it. Same thing happens with the W’s and brown ones.
    If you do the M&M thing tell them this like the fourth time you have used these M&M’s for this demonstration. It keeps people from eating them.
    If you are trying to demonstrate DOE with the cards a faster version. Get coated and uncoated aspirin. Run a 3 factor 2 level DOE. 1.Coated/uncoated 2.warm/cold water 3. stirred/unstirred. Response is time to disolve (need stop watches – cheap ones – they are easier to operate).
    I usually keep enough stuff with me to do this in case the Statapults don’t make it, particularly if they have to clear customs.
    Good Luck.

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    #74619

    Michael Wiley
    Participant

    One person is One person.  A Company is many persons. Its Management’s responsiblity to identify the company’s areas that require improvement.  And it is their responsibility to use their Black Belt to fix the biggest problems.  And the Black Belt will lead the team, identify the root causes and provide a best practice.  Processes won’t improve unless the people involved in the process change their methods.  The Black Belt makes it clear what the problem is and what is required to eliminate it, its up to the rest of the people to act upon this for there to be any improvement.  And again Management is required for implementation.   It also helps when the Black Belt is persuasive enough to inspire the change. SS is not a department , it is the Company.

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    #74623

    john beaudoin
    Participant

    Mike,
    I understand on the copyright stuff, and in a forum as large as this, the side of caution is warranted.
    That is some great stuff you put in there.  I’m sure it is much appreciated by everyone taking the time to read it.  Thank You.

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    #74624

    john beaudoin
    Participant

    Ben,
    I agree with what you are saying.  Plagiarism and Copyright violations are bad things.  However, I don’t think copying anything word for word was suggested.  In writing any report for school or research, you can paraphrase what others state in their texts, and you only need to provide a footnote as to the original source of the information, so you are giving credit to the originator of the idea.
    I tried the internet as you suggested on this one, but found mostly consultants selling their services.
    I wonder, do you not copy any MP3 Files over the internet and burn your own CD’s?  If you object to that behavior, you are the piller of integrity and I commend you!

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    #74642

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Michael,
    I think your answer is attached to the wrong thread. Try the decaf – it’s Monday.
    Good luck.

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    #74652

    RR Kunes
    Member

    John,
     
    The card dropping thing is not really very good in practice perhaps that is why few repsonded.
    I use what I call the Spiffy Spot company. It is applying dots to a premade form. This simulation can be used in both six sigma and Lean classes.
    If you want a copy send me your email address.
     
     

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    #74654

    Joy Cowling
    Participant

    John,
    I’m glad you got what you needed.  I suspect there would have been many of us willing to supply you  with the exercise.  After I read your original post and Neil’s reply, I didn’t think it would be necessary to have more than one person sending you the same information.  I would have been happy to post the exercise if someone else hadn’t already done so.  Please don’t assume all consultants and Six Sigma professionals are unwilling to help.  Duplicate efforts are non-value added. 
    I don’t remember the original post.  What M&M exercise are you looking for?
     
    Joy

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    #74655

    john beaudoin
    Participant

    Cool…
    We did a bead factory demonstration in my TQM class that the instructor patterned after the simulation used by Demming himself at all of his 4 day seminars.  It was primarily to show that the process designed by management had more to do with quality that the individual performance of employees.  It also showed that performance rewards, recognition, and discipline can be misapplied by management as the natural variation is misinterpretted as special causes.
    My e-mail address is [email protected]
    I look forward to seeing what you have.  Thanks in advance.  Neil got a lot of individual requests asking for copies of the card game, if you encounter the same, you may want to get it posted on this site.

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    #74656

    john beaudoin
    Participant

    Thanks Joy,
    The M&M exercise we did in our class was more of a probability kind of experiment.  Each student opened a bag of M&M’s and sorted them by color.  Someone used a spreasheet to track how many of each color their were in each sample, and the total in each bag.  We Pareto’d the colors and figured the mean and SD of the total candies in each bag and compared them with the mixture of colors the company published, etc.  I’m thinking there was more to it than that and was hoping someone had the M&M company data and the holes I was missing.

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    #74657

    Leung
    Participant

    No, I do not copy MP3 files.

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    #74665

    Michael Wiley
    Participant

    Thank you for your uplifting insight. 
    Best of Luck to you in positively and enthusiastically leading your teams. 
     

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    #74667

    Schultz
    Participant

    Mike,
    I don’t get it…you’re usually so on. But in this case it does appear that you’re just being negative. What is wrong with what was written, and why are you being negative?
    Charlie

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    #74680

    john beaudoin
    Participant

    All Mike meant was that this subject, titled “One Person (BB) vs. the Company’s Problems” is showing up as responses to the message thread of the subject “Thank You Neil, the Rest of you Amaze Me”.  It may not be the guys fault, it could be an error in the web site.  I tried changing the subject in a reply before, and it won’t post, so it must be some kind of system issue.

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    #74682

    Craig Tenn
    Participant

    John,
    I just tried posting a message with a changed subject to this thread. It worked with the changed subject. Not sure what the error was before.
    Craig

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    #74690

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Charlie,
    Thank you for the compliment and the latitude.
    When I read the answer it didn’t seem to fit but it looked like the anwer (and a good one) to the discussion going on under “Organization Structure.” Particularly the last sentence.

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    #74693

    Joy Cowling
    Participant

    John,
    You have described the exercise I have used with M&M’s.  I don’t have the actual M&M data to know what they expect the distribution to look like.  The only thing I can add is that when you pool the class data and do a histogram of colors, the histogram will look more normal than the individual bags.  One bag may have no greens, but someone else’s bag will have more than average.
    Good Luck!Joy

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    #74885

    melvin
    Participant

    Take a look at their website.  There is a lot of posted material, largely from the book and examples, to make use of.

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