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  • #182538 Reply

    Has anyone heard of this organization – The Council for Six Sigma Certification (sixsigmacouncil.org)?

    This one is new to me and I can’t figure out who is behind this “third-party accrediting body”.

    It looks like they review training providers on Course Curriculum, Course Structure and Testing/Certification Requirements. I’ve reviewed the requirements and the “approved providers” and, from my understanding, some of the providers don’t meet the standard yet are listed.

    I’m interested in hearing what others think of this organization and who’s behind the curtain.

    #182539 Reply

    Tom W.

    The whois record for the domain name is under privacy protection, but I went back in the history of the record and found some info.

    Domain ID:D159883237-LROR
    Domain Name:SIXSIGMACOUNCIL.ORG
    Created On:12-Aug-2010 16:28:03 UTC
    Last Updated On:12-Aug-2010 16:28:06 UTC
    Expiration Date:12-Aug-2012 16:28:03 UTC
    Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR)
    Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
    Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
    Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
    Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
    Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
    Status:ADDPERIOD
    Registrant ID:CR56849005
    Registrant Name:CRAIG SETTER
    Registrant Street1:113 Lawnview Court
    Registrant Street2:
    Registrant Street3:
    Registrant City:Cranberry Township
    Registrant State/Province:Pennsylvania
    Registrant Postal Code:16066
    Registrant Country:US
    Registrant Phone:+1.4405211318
    Registrant Phone Ext.:
    Registrant FAX:
    Registrant FAX Ext.:
    Registrant Email:bursar@sixsigmaonline.org

    #490870 Reply

    Wayne

    seems like no small coincidence that the mailing address from the whois is the exact same town as Pro Source, one of the endorsed companies.

    [Portion of discussion redacted per https://www.isixsigma.com/topic/forum-etiquette/%5D

    #500479 Reply

    Based on my research, it looks like Aveta (a Six Sigma testing service that is not recognized) is behind this one. It took a lot of digging, because they do not have a phone number or address listed on the on The Council for Six Sigma Certification website. The address listed above is the same city as Aveta.

    #500629 Reply

    @cparet Mr. Paret, I realize you asked this 3 years ago. Basically Wayne and Becky did some nice investigative work but something tells me you may have posted that looking out of the corner of your eye. Maybe not.

    If you look at this industry the focus has shifted from deploying and getting results to selling certification. That is not meant to be a cheap shot. You are involved in training (which I believe is done very well) and I assume certification (never actually asked). It is interesting that when we began this whole thing we did certs purely as something ancillary so management would know who was satisfactorily trained to do the job, a training certificate to those who did classroom and no project – primarily to identify management teams that were not supporting the program and of course if there was no progress we sent them back to their job (if it was still available) by the Analyze Phase.

    Are people scamming certification? I am sure it is happening somewhere simply because there is money in it. Are these guys? No clue but If the only thing a company does is certification it should be a signal for a closer look.

    Just my opinion.

    #500630 Reply

    Gather Data

    [Portion of discussion redacted per https://www.isixsigma.com/topic/forum-etiquette/%5D

    Let’s look at the data.

    1. There is no business entity listed on the website. Search the terms and privacy policy. Nothing.
    2. They are using a “.org” domain name, indicating they are a not for profit entity, yet they have no not for profit identified.
    3. There is not contact information on their website. Why? Because they don’t want to be contacted.
    4. Their terms of service say, “Any claim relating to Council for Six Sigma Certification’s web site shall be governed by the laws of the State of Ohio without regard to its conflict of law provisions.” Yet they are not listed in the Ohio Secretary of State as a licensed entity: http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:2:0::NO:RP::

    C’mon, people. Whenever there’s money to be made (or scammed from people) there will be people there to do it.

    Do your due diligence. Don’t be a mark.

    #704876 Reply

    Hello, my name is Craig Setter and I am the proud founder of both Aveta Business Institute’s Six Sigma Online, ProSource, and The Council for Six Sigma Certification (CSSC).

    The CSSC and the training providers are separate entities and operated completely independently.

    In fact, Prosource isn’t even accredited for its Black Belt Program since it doesn’t currently meet the CSSC’s project requirement.

    Besides, over the years I have LITERALLY given free training materials and free accreditation to HUNDREDS of providers that are Aveta’s COMPETITION through CSSC. Seriously, think about that.

    But let’s consider the source of these attacks…

    Lots of posts from anonymous people here.

    The new ISSSP website appears to have boasted from 2015 to 2017 that “Up until the formation of ISSSP, there has not been a true Governing Body over Six Sigma”. Funny, I don’t recall ISSSP ever offering accrediation or certification. Anybody else?

    [Portion of discussion redacted per https://www.isixsigma.com/topic/forum-etiquette/ ]

    If interested, you can read more about it (and the supporting evidence of my beliefs) here.

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