Toyota – Continuous Improvement – NO 6S
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December 6, 2006 at 9:02 pm #45454
It is well know that Toyota’s system of Continuous Improvement and their adherence to Deming’s principles, is the envy of its Six Sigma rivals at Ford and GM.
Here’s how they do it:
http://www.fastcompany.com/subscr/111/open_no-satisfaction.html0December 6, 2006 at 9:14 pm #148558WOW! You sure are smarty-smart-smart-smart!
Please do expound more, oh wise Jedi…
ugh…0December 6, 2006 at 10:06 pm #148563Steve,
I have not posted in this forum for a while but this article was an awesome read.
‘Please tell us about your problems so we can all work on that together’. What power this statement has!
Keep up this kind of good work.
PB0December 6, 2006 at 11:46 pm #148567Steve, a great post ! … don’t worry about ignorant six sigma peasants like HBGB^2 … they are the ones responsible for six sigma failures like GM and Ford
0December 7, 2006 at 3:34 am #148580Steve,
Thanks for the article. I enjoyed it. I’ll have to forward it to a couple of former Ford employees that I know – they put a lot of sweat into changing the culture of Ford. Unfortunately it didn’t stick.
But then compare the two.
Toyotas Principles in 1935 were:
1. Always be faithful to your duties, thereby contributing to the Company and to the overall good.
2. Always be studious and creative, striving to stay ahead of the times.
3. Always be practical and avoid frivolousness.
4. Always strive to build a homelike atmosphere at work that is warm and friendly.
5. Always have respect for God, and remember to be grateful at all times.
And today Toyota’s Principles are:
1. Be contributive to the development and welfare of the country by working together, regardless of position, in faithfully fulfilling your duties.
2. Be at the vanguard of the times through endless creativity, inquisitiveness and pursuit of improvement.
3. Be practical and avoid frivolity.
4. Be kind and generous; strive to create a warm, homelike atmosphere.
5. Be reverent, and show gratitude for things great and small in thought and deed.
Ford on the other hand has these as their Business Principles:
Ford Motor Company is committed to creating value for our shareholders over the long term through the delivery of excellent automotive products and services and to do so ethically and responsibly. These principles will guide our decisions and actions globally. As a whole, they set the standards by which we judge ourselves and by which we hope to be judged by others.
– Accountability. We will be honest and open and model the highest standards of corporate integrity.
– Community. We will respect and contribute to the communities around the world in which we work.
– Environment. We will respect the natural environment and help preserve it for future generations.
– Financial health. We will make our decisions with proper regard to the long-term financial security of the Company.
– Products and customers. We will offer excellent products and services.
– Quality of relationships. We will strive to earn the trust and respect of our investors, customers, dealers, employees, unions, business partners and society.
– Safety. We will protect the safety and health of those who make, distribute or use our products.
There appears to be a big difference between the two, No?0December 7, 2006 at 3:41 am #148581
No child left behindParticipant@No-child-left-behindInclude @No-child-left-behind in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Steve,
I am glad to see that the “No child left behind” program finally comes to fruition. Rightfully you are counting yourself among the intellectual aristocrats who are capable of posting and reading an article that is at a readability level that varies between the 6th and the 8th grade depending on the paragraph. We all humbly agree that we still have to do a lot of catch up to do. Not only have we missed 50 years of literature on the Toyota production system. No, our reading level has not advanced to your mind-boggling heights. Your Excellencys expertise in educational accomplishment is all the more impressive and surprising because you stated in a previous post today: Im not real big on reading (see a few posts below in Six Sigma and Service Industry). Please keep on enlightening us with your mind-numbing intellectual and educational superiority! The likes of Mike will be licking your boots forever.0December 7, 2006 at 3:48 am #148584Shhhh! Don’t get Mike excited. He has been absent for a long time, with a little luck it will be a long time again.
0December 7, 2006 at 4:27 am #148585
No child left behindParticipant@No-child-left-behindInclude @No-child-left-behind in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Maybe Mike will finally find the romantic relationship that so far has eluded him on this site.
0December 7, 2006 at 5:19 am #148588When six sigma’s failures are discussed and when the success of non six sigma companies like Toyota are discussed, I’m sure that intelligent readers here will notice the fear (terror ?) response from six sigma consultants like “No Child”.
0December 7, 2006 at 9:27 am #148593
TierradentroParticipant@johnInclude @john in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Toyota is applying the Principles of Lean-SS.No-body can deny that.It is not a matter of being envious ,companies apply simple and efficient improement methods that guide them to successful achievements.
0December 7, 2006 at 1:48 pm #148606
No child left behindParticipant@No-child-left-behindInclude @No-child-left-behind in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Hal,
My life is shattered by the breathtaking depth of the insight of your observation … such genuius that early in the morning :-))))))0December 7, 2006 at 2:20 pm #148608
jtomac01Participant@jtomac01Include @jtomac01 in your post and this person will
be notified via email.EdG,
This is an excellent comparison that highlights what I consider the fundamental difference between those who practice the Toyota way and those who try to imitate it. Thanks for posting this!
JWDT0December 7, 2006 at 3:35 pm #148611No – I don’t see a “big” difference detween the two. What I do see is that Ford had all the tools necessary to be just like Toyota, but did not execute. That is the “big” difference between the two companies at the macro level. At the micro level – Ford management has always been about the politics. That is why you have a big truck bias, short term plans, disrespect for customers, etc. They say the same things that Toyota says – but they don’t walk the talk.
0December 7, 2006 at 3:46 pm #148612
No child left behindParticipant@No-child-left-behindInclude @No-child-left-behind in your post and this person will
be notified via email.It is amazing how the experts on this site get wound up when someone does not adhere to generally agreed upon principles of statistics and DOE when it comes to process root cause analysis (power, sample size caclulation, confidence intervals etc.). But then these sampe experts use the n = 1 design (in reality it’s not even that, it’s the simplest of all possible case studies) to draw definite and final conclusions about the “effect size” of the two approaches. Let’s not even mention the horizon-opening view that lean vs. six sigma (or whatever slogan is being used) is the only factor (or at least the determining factor) that drives the success of an organization. I am glad to see how simple the world is when viewed by the experts on this site:-).
0December 7, 2006 at 4:43 pm #148621Maybe I am just reading too much into the two statements but what I see is…
Ford makes the statement immediately that they are focused on creating value for their shareholders (a result) and then goes into the various drivers. Toyota focuses on their drivers first and foremost.
I acknowledge that ALL companies are solely in business to make a profit but it just seems atypical that Ford is focused on the results first and the drivers second while Toyota focuses on the drivers and knows the results will follow. The cultural difference is exemplified in the answers to:Which one lays-off their people and which one doesn’t?
Which of the two has a great deal of focus on developing their personnel?
Like I said above, I could have read too much into this but then I have worked very closely with folks from both Toyota and Ford and there is a difference in their reverence of their former employers.
Good luck…0December 7, 2006 at 4:49 pm #148622“All models are wrong, some are just more useful.”
Toyota doesn’t need to use Six Sigma. They live and breath Lean and no other company even comes close. When you have that culture adopted by everyone in the enterprise and your processes are so simple and visual, you don’t need statistical analysis to identify problems, let alone fix them. Until a company can truely make lean the number 1 part of their company, they will never have processes that are so simple that any factory floor worker can simply identify what’s wrong and fix it. It really is a complete rethinking to the way things are done. If you ever get the opportunity, take a tour of their facility.0December 7, 2006 at 5:14 pm #148623I’m not arguing with the central content of your message, just that it isn’t what Ford says that is the problem – it is the execution of the plan. You say that they put shareholders first – so what, they have screwed them also. The problem is the execution of their plans – it doesn’t matter what they say, they do not have the corporate integrity to be able to execute on the most well-laid out plans. The TPS is no secret –
Ford hired a guy from Georgetown plant back in 1989 to help them set up the FPS. So what if it was exactly like the TPS – Ford can’t execute.0December 7, 2006 at 7:19 pm #148626
jtomac01Participant@jtomac01Include @jtomac01 in your post and this person will
be notified via email.EdG,
Between the two cultures did you see how the metrics drove the behaviour? Were the metrics that drove this behaviour related to how the company states its business purpose?
Thanks…0December 7, 2006 at 7:24 pm #148627
jtomac01Participant@jtomac01Include @jtomac01 in your post and this person will
be notified via email.So are you calling the majority of people on this site Hypocrites?
Are the majority of the posters on this site consultants or managers/engineers/bb/mbb’s/lean people working in industry making it happen?
Judging by your responses you have a definite bias in your view as to which approach you think is the best. I am curious about you though, whats your background/experience?0December 7, 2006 at 7:29 pm #148628In speaking with the Ford guys, the focus (those metrics that mattered most to them) were COST. Like I said, a result.
But for Toyota it was adhereing to thier other metrics – takt time, quality, etc. Drivers…0December 7, 2006 at 8:08 pm #148633
JamaicaParticipant@JamaicaInclude @Jamaica in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Given your level of excitement, it looks like you finally found a job :-).
0December 7, 2006 at 8:16 pm #148636
jtomac01Participant@jtomac01Include @jtomac01 in your post and this person will
be notified via email.You betcha! and to think I was only a consultant for six months…
0December 7, 2006 at 8:49 pm #148638Yeah, no diff between Toyota and the six sigma fools / failures … if you drop the black belts and crap.
10,000 Ford black belts couldn’t fix the defects in the Ford Edge … remember that story ?0December 7, 2006 at 8:56 pm #148641
JamaicaParticipant@JamaicaInclude @Jamaica in your post and this person will
be notified via email.With all of the vicious back and forth on this site: Glad to hear your life is stable again :-)))))). … doesn’t consulting sxxk???
0December 7, 2006 at 10:18 pm #148643If Toyota is successful AND Toyota uses TPS. If Ford uses TPS, it will be successful.
True or False0December 8, 2006 at 12:45 am #148653False. Ford needs to define it’s culture and figure out a system that will work for that culture.
0December 8, 2006 at 12:57 am #148655Yeh, their existing six sigma has screwed Ford up so they need your personal form of six sigma training to really make a mess of them eh ?
0December 8, 2006 at 1:03 am #148657Ford was screwed up before they pretended to do Six Sigma. They have arrogant leadership and way too many layers of managment to have Six Sigma, TPS or anything else help them.I would not touch them, they can’t be helped. Things will have to get a lot worse before they get better.
0December 8, 2006 at 9:00 am #148668Steve,
Interested to know about the story..can you please share!
Monk0December 8, 2006 at 2:40 pm #148679Solution = Toyota buys Ford, (since everything has a price and is up for sale), shh! We’ll call it a merger, that way the massess will not suspect the selling of America, and the new name will be:
“FORTOYODA.”
In recognition of Dr. Shoichiro Toyoda, Founder and Chairman, TMC0December 8, 2006 at 4:36 pm #148686
george wParticipant@george-wInclude @george-w in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I’m tired of your US bashing. Go live in Iran.
0December 10, 2006 at 10:31 am #148749
TierradentroParticipant@johnInclude @john in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I found the Honda Car better than the Toyota Car?Please stop praising the TPS day and night?
0December 10, 2006 at 10:34 am #148750
TierradentroParticipant@johnInclude @john in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I believe all it needs is to hire the service of either Mikel Harry or Darth or Stan…..
0December 10, 2006 at 10:37 am #148753
TierradentroParticipant@johnInclude @john in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Please elaborate more…..,
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