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  • #37168

    Undecided
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    If we elect Kerry, are we adding variation to our foreign policy, assuming that no other nations will send forces to Iraq? 
     

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    #108809

    Mikel
    Member

    This is not a political forum, but to answer your question –
    1) By default we will add variation. Right now its we are right and God is on our side. We believe in the rights of unborn children and are willing to kill anyone who doesn’t agree with us. Additional variation in this case has to be good.
    2) We will also reduce variation in the IQ levels of the President and VP. Right now we have a dolt and a genius (spread of 50 – 80 IQ points). With Kerry and Edwards we would have two smart guys (spread of 10 – 20 IQ points)

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    #108820

    VGB
    Member

    Fantastic

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    #108823

    jpmc
    Participant

    2) We will also reduce variation in the IQ levels of the President and VP. Right now we have a dolt and a genius (spread of 50 – 80 IQ points). With Kerry and Edwards we would have two smart guys (spread of 10 – 20 IQ points)
    Pathetic….purely conjecture on your part. Like I said in another post, the reification of intelligence is a fundamentally flawed process to begin with. How do you know the “IQ” levels of the four mentioned people in your statement? Show me your source….

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    #108827

    Darth
    Participant

    From a reliable source in ArKansas:
    We don’t know Bush’s IQ and we don’t know Kerry’s IQ. We know SAT scores for Bush. He got a 1206 (verbal: 566; math: 640) which is higher than it sounds, because SAT scores of today are inflated. By today’s standards, his SAT score is around 1290. Kerry’s SAT scores have not been released.

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    #108829

    Darth
    Participant

    Here is scientific proof:

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    #108832

    Mikel
    Member

    Well since I have to assume you are not talking about the dolt – that one is too obvious – you must be questioning whether Cheney is really a genius.

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    #108873

    VGB
    Member

    I can’t judge but I’m sure it is better  for the world (peace) to make the IQ test (higher score ) a prequisite for the right candidate.Just for the sake of  “humor”,please I have tested my IQ and it was 124,is it OK??

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    #108880

    aBBinMN
    Participant

    Variation = unpredictability.
    Senator Kerry wanted the resolution authorizing the use of force to be used as “leverage” not for an actual invasion. In other words, he more-or-less intended it as a bluff. Kerry’s approach blurs the lines. A Saddam Hussein or Adolph Hitler will respond by constantly testing those lines and calling the bluffs, trying to find out just how much they can get away with until they eventually go to far and the world decides to do something (as illustrated by Iraq’s 1990 invasion of Kuwait.) Some would describe this approach as arbitrary and capricious.
    President Bush, on the other hand, believes it’s important to mean what you say and for other people to know it. He took the position that Saddam’s lines were clearly defined in the 1991 cease-fire agreement and that those lines must be enforced or Saddam would push and push and eventually cross a much more critical line.
    Bush’s approach is more predictable. Even if you disagree with where the lines are, you should recognize that the world is much safer when people know where the lines are and what consequences await those who cross those lines.
    In fairness, we don’t know that millions upon millions of lives could have been spared if France, England, and the US would have listened to Winston Churchill and stood up to Germany, Italy, and Japan earlier. All we know is that the other approach had an extremely high COPQ.

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    #108885

    aBBelsewhere
    Participant

    aBBinMM,
     
    I am not necessarily an advocate of either approach, but I don’t think that you listened to what Kerry said.   Kerry is making the case that his initial approval of giving Bush congressional authorization for war in Iraq was predicted on the belief that war was a last resort – an action to be taken after all other paths had been thoroughly exercised, e.g., weapons inspections, United Nations resolutions and mandates, building a truly international coalition, and substantially making and presenting the case for war to the American people and to the international community.  Kerry is stating that authorization for war allows the authorized to strap on a weapon and use it if need be but not to rush to judgment, use select pieces of information and hurl the nation headfirst into prolonged conflict.  I agree with the thoughts of previous posters in that one ticket has two “A” students and one has a “Yale C” student and a National Honors Scholar.   And which student has his thumb on the button/finger on the trigger?    I think that it shows that Shewhart was right in the applicability of the standard distribution – where are most of the voters in the distribution?    Did millions of “C” students vote for a “Yale C” student?    But then Shewhart was a Berkeley guy and it’s not much wonder that a “Yale C” student would not connect with the concept of a PSDA cycle, but you, a BB in MM, seems like you’d know better. 
     aBBelsewhere    

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    #108886

    Darth
    Participant

    Bottom line for me is whether you want the Demo VP candidate, as smart as he might be, to have his finger on the button and in a position to negotiate with Putin and other world leaders.  For me, he is a little inexperienced when it comes to managing such a large and complex enterprise as the US Government.  Makes me nervous to have Edwards a heartbeat away from a potential President.  Heck he is so inexperienced he probably isn’t even sure how the Senate fully runs.  Succession planning is important in any organization and you have to feel comfortable about the guy who might have to step in one day.

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    #108889

    RubberDude
    Member

    (Non-political posting:)
    I say we re-elect Bush and let Cheney be the president he has been the past four years…….
    The DNC will have their big chance four years from now with Hillary….

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    #108895

    aBBinMN
    Participant

    Weapons inspections: 1) Saddam repeatedly kept inspectors out of “palaces”, 2) It was no secret where inspectors were going and trucks pulling out before inspectors’ arrival would refuse to stop to be inspected, 3) scientists (under orders) had samples in their home freezers in order to be able to reconstitute WMD programs when the opportunity arose. No predictable consequence = variation.
    United Nations resolutions and mandates: Do I need to even list these to point it out again? How many dozens were there going back to 1990? No predictable enforcement = variation.
    Building a truly international coalition: Interesting that “truly international” means France, Germany, and Russia must be on board (or at least France and Russia). These countries for their own political and financial reasons (Saddam owed them money), chose to ignore the lessons of history and refused to participate. Remember, France and Russia had to use (or threaten to use) their veto power in order to stop UN action. Having seen the arguments to the UN (and guess at what was said behind closed doors) I have to question why someone would actually think Kerry would be more successful. What would he have done? Bought them off with his catsup fortune? On this point, Kerry’s claim is about as strong as for me to say your or I would have done a better job running GE than Jack Welch did. Groundless, unsupportable claims = no confidence grounded in real-world data = high probability of variation.
    Substantially making and presenting the case for war to the American people and to the international community: For the benefit of those who slept through the 1990’s, the case was made and presented. Again, no predictable consequences = variation.
    Kerry is stating that authorization for war allows the authorized to strap on a weapon and use it if need be but not to rush to judgment, use select pieces of information and hurl the nation headfirst into prolonged conflict.
    Rush? How many years of using WMD, invading neighbors, violating cease-fire terms and UN resolutions, rewarding families of Palestinian suicide bombers, and otherwise being a trouble-maker does it take? How many data points do you need before you recognize a trend? How many points do you have to see outside the control limits before you’re ready to do something about the cause?

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    #108897

    Darth
    Participant

    Oh Good, political advice from a porch rocker in Arkansas.  I say let Monica decide.

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    #108902

    aBBelsewhere
    Participant

    aBBinMN
    You and your leader are much more emotional than rational.   The case Bush made for going to war was the existence and immanent use on Iraq’s part of weapons of mass destruction.   We now know there were none – variance?   Bush’s secondary case for going to war was the connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda.  We now know there was none – variance?  Bush contented that Iraq was part of the Axis of Evil, i.e., North Korea, Iran and Iraq.  Did we go to war with all three or only Iraq with it’s family history at play – variance?   Did Bush tell the world “you’re either with us or against us” making the case for support to the world body in a compelling and statesman like way – variance?  And now due to poor after the primary hostilities contingency planning our troops are walking targets for every extremist malcontent in the region versus being welcomed as liberators – variance?  And it goes on and on.   You and I will not agree, but the case for going to war with Iraq – the absolute imperative, got to do it now, case – fell apart.  Blurt your supportive and emotional rhetoric to other “C” students, strengthen the conservative Republican voting block and send GB back for four more years – the first four have been nothing short of spectacular.    
    aBBelsewhere

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    #108903

    aBBelsewhere
    Participant

    I say keep Monica out of it.  She never really seemed very politically astute or motivated by righting the wrongs of society – and it’s too important a decision for someone just to pay lip service to it.    

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    #108904

    VGB
    Member

    Congratulation:Convicing and Rational Thinking.

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    #108905

    aBBinMN
    Participant

    aBBelsewhere,
    Your statement is incorrect on several accounts, but sadly they’re fairly common points.
    >The case Bush made for going to war was the existence and immanent use on Iraq’s part of weapons of mass destruction.
    False. Way back before the invasion, Bush made it very clear that post-9/11, we could not afford to wait until Saddam acquired WMD and the ability to hit us with them – that we couldn’t wait for the threat became imminent because then it would be too late.
    Saddam’s pattern of behavior does indeed suggest that if he had WMD stockpiles and the ability to reach us with them, that he would use them against us. It also suggests that if he thought he could use them to wipe out Israel, conquor Iran, and annex his Arab neighbors, he would do so. Based on historical data, the only rational conclusion is that he would have continued to strive to do all these things as long as he remained in power.
    >We now know there were none – variance?
    As a BB, you know that failure to prove a hypothesis does not prove the alternative. We haven’t found large stockpiles. We did find biological agents in scientists’ freezers. We’ve also found no evidence that he actually destroyed the WMD he was known to have in 1991. Even if we take it as established fact that his WMD scientists lied to Saddam and said they had WMD when they didn’t, that’s still evidence of his intent to continue to pursue WMD as long as he was in power.
    >Bush’s secondary case for going to war was the connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
    Inaccurate. It’s common knowledge (at least for those who pay attention) that Saddam was publicly offering $25,000 rewards to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Regardless of whether there was a connection to Al Qaida, Saddam was supporting international terrorism.
    The arguments laid out by President Bush and Secretary of State Powell should be viewed the same way you’d look at the evidence laid out by a prosecutor. You lay out the best case you can. Some of it may be shot down by the defender, but you don’t know what and you have to lay out everything you believe is sound in order to sustain your overall case. With regard to the overall case for war in Iraq, the overall case stands – as long as Saddam remained in power he was going to be absolutely as much of a threat to the rest of the world as he could get away with.
    As for the “got to do it now” part… once the case is established (as it was) that it’s got to be done, what’s the benefit of putting it off? To let the troops and equipment wear down in the heat of the desert in summer? To keep trying the same things that didn’t work for the previous 11 years? (I bet you know the definition of insane.) To give the French, Germans, Russians, Chinese, and Kofi’s son more time to profit in partnership with Saddam? To give Saddam more time to prepare?

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    #108910

    Mikel
    Member

    What nonsense.

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    #108912

    KBailey
    Participant

    Some of you need to settle down a bit. Let’s get away from politics and back to the world of management and Six Sigma.
    “I have a PLAN to increase shareholder value. I’m going to cut prices for our small business customers so they won’t go out of business and they can keep buying from us. I’m going to raise pay for our low-income employees and add health benefits for our temporary, part-time, and contract workers so that everyone will be healthy and happy and more productive. To pay for it, I’m going to raise prices on our largest customers. I’m going to save money by putting an end to outsourcing and offshoring, and by not giving such big raises and bonuses to leaders who get results (including Six Sigma Black Belts) because we all need to think more about the common good of the company and our fellow employees. I have a PLAN.”

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    #108913

    Fourmore
    Participant

    “Blurt your supportive and emotional rhetoric to other “C” students, strengthen the conservative Republican voting block and send GB back for four more years – the first four have been nothing short of spectacular.”aBBelsewhere,
    You would be the same person crying that Bush didn’t do anything if we got hit again. Remember, America does not need permission from other countries to defend itself against ANY threat. Get that mentality out of your head. In the mean time, keep supporting that admitted war criminal and his trial lawyer buddy from North Carolina who made his millions off junk science.

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    #108915

    Darth
    Participant

    Ya forgot the promise of a chicken in every pot!!!!!

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    #108916

    KBailey
    Participant

    Or as a sportscaster who worked on a local radio morning show said during his write-in campaign for governor:
    “A CD player in every home.” That was long ago, before DVDs and MP3s.

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    #108918

    aBBelsewhere
    Participant

    Fourmore,
     
    Remember, America does not need permission from other countries to defend itself against ANY threat.
     
    Did Al Qaeda and their associates in Afghanistan and elsewhere deserve full all-out warfare and destruction – most certainly.  That I agree with you on. 
     
    But I don’t agree that Iraq presented immanent threat to the US – which should be the predicate justification for war.  An opportunistic seizing of the moment surfaced in Iraq, because Sadam was evil and everyone knew it, he had weapons of mass destruction and everyone knew it, he was a harbinger of terrorists working with Al Qaeda and everyone knew it, the Iraqi people yearned for freedom and wanted liberation and everyone knew it, the international community would participate in the rebuilding of Iraq once Sadam was removed and everyone knew it – and all of these things that we knew we’d prove once we marched into Iraq with overwhelming force.   It was a self-fulfilling-prophesy that never came to pass.   Dr. Rice was on the talk shows this weekend saying, “Well we know based on his past actions that after sanctions were lifted he would have resumed WMD production and in five years could have used them.”  And that, my friends, says go to war?   So it was a preemptive strike based on what could well have occurred in the future?  As a line drawn in the middle-eastern sand it was compelling.   
     
    You know nothing about me and who or what I support.  I don’t like being lied to and dislike even more being led along someone else’s path of questionable logic – whether it’s your belligerent and narrowly focused drum beat or the BB in MN.
     
    aBBelsewhere      

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    #108919

    mjones
    Participant

    And while both these turkeys promise us chickens in every pot, CD’s, healthcare, security, everything else and more; way, way more, than our good tax money can buy, who picks up the tab? Our children and grandchildren.
    Tax cuts? Great stuff, but who leads the initiative for spending cuts to match them.
    Where was the leadership in the White House and on the Hill to balance this budget and avoid the long-term debt that threatens our future?
    And the war… It really doesn’t matter who started this war or why, our solders are there now. While we pay (some of) the bills, they are paying with their lives. Some are dying. Some are injured and disabled. Some are/will be missing a significant part of their lives with their families. The drag on our emotional capacity and US productivity is incredible. What we need is a viable exit strategy.
    How about a SS project. Goal: Get done what needs to be done and get us out with honor. Develop a plan and make it happen. Now! 
    Neither one of these guy impress me with having a solid, convincing solution.

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    #108953

    RubberDude
    Member

    I say we send John Kerry over in his swift boat and let him take on all the terrorist groups.  I’m sure with his experience in VN, he can handle it.
    Where is Stormin’ Norman when you need him?

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    #108959

    Adifferentbbinmn
    Participant

    Abbinmn,
     
    Uh-Oh….. I think I read where this is going? PLEASE, PLEASE, don’t propose Jesse Ventura as a write-in candidate for President!!!! I don’t think your fellow Minnesotans (and Americans for that matter) can handle more Jesse! I know, he was a Navy Seal, an actor, and a Champion in the “squared circle” but PLEASE – don’t suggest it! Besides, I’m not sure that Jesse would meet Stan’s minimum IQ requirements (although he is probably not the lowest of the choices)????
    “Can’t we all just get along” and stick to SS?
      Adifferentbbinmn

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    #108964

    Fourmore
    Participant

    But I don’t agree that Iraq presented immanent threat to the US – which should be the predicate justification for war.  An opportunistic seizing of the moment surfaced in Iraq, because Sadam was evil and everyone knew it, he had weapons of mass destruction and everyone knew it, he was a harbinger of terrorists working with Al Qaeda and everyone knew it, the Iraqi people yearned for freedom and wanted liberation and everyone knew it, the international community would participate in the rebuilding of Iraq once Sadam was removed and everyone knew it – and all of these things that we knew we’d prove once we marched into Iraq with overwhelming force.   It was a self-fulfilling-prophesy that never came to pass.   Dr. Rice was on the talk shows this weekend saying, “Well we know based on his past actions that after sanctions were lifted he would have resumed WMD production and in five years could have used them.”  And that, my friends, says go to war?   So it was a preemptive strike based on what could well have occurred in the future?  As a line drawn in the middle-eastern sand it was compelling.
    Actually it was a strike based on intelligence information from our CIA, Russia’s intel, GB’s intel, and others. They all said he had the weapons. And when you look Saddam’s past, he had used chemical weapons: when he used mustard gas to supress a large amount of dissenters. When you get that kind of corroborating intelligence you have to act. This is analoguos to what CEOs do everyday: they make decisions based on information that is handed to them from company researchers. And your quote about Dr. Rice I believe is taken out of context. What sanctions were we going to lift in Iraq? Is she referring to Saddam?
    Anyway, you have your opinion and I have mine.

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    #108977

    Stevo
    Member

    Man, it really doesn’t matter, the whole election is just a ploy to fool the american public, man!  I’ve got it from a credible source that the whole show is being run from 4 potato (potatoe)  farmers in Idaho.
    Stevo
    ps.  My advice, vote for Nadar so he can legalize the dube and we can all smoke a J and watch the world go to heck.
     
     

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    #108981

    RubberDude
    Member

    Stevo,
    We can file your theory under the same category as these:
    1.  Reagan was the anti-christ due to the fact that his name (Ronald Wilson Reagan) had six characters in each name…. 6-6-6
    2.  Bill Clinton was to be puppet leader of the world due to the fact he was a member of the New World Order being mastered by four (or was it six) silent world leaders who control all the money/resources (gold, oil, etc.)
    3.  The assasination of JFK was a plot by the CIA with help from the mob and Cubans under the direction of J. Edgar Hoover and Kennedy lived for years in Panama with brain damage rendering him with the mind of a 3 year old.
    4.  Elvis is still alive and a MBB with GE…….
    No…..Wait….. #3 is true…….

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    #108982

    Stevo
    Member

    Dude, it’s no theory!!  And if I wasn’t so scared of the “spud 4”, I would prove it, Oh gawd, I’ve said to much, there here!! ……
     
    Is this the last that we here from Stevo…
    Will Idaho leave the country and take Montana with it….
    Will Stan ever succeed in convicing the world of the 1.5 shift…
     
    These questions and more will be answered..  uhg, ack, gurgle, splat.

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    #108983

    Stevodroid
    Member

    I am the new improved Stevo; now what was he, I mean I saying?

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    #108993

    NaturalizedUSCitizen
    Participant

    Questions –
    When an individual seating on a seat of power (Saddam), can kill THOUSANDS (bury alive, using nbiological agents, etc.), can he not be called a WMD (weapon of mass death/destruction? How can one wait to free the people living under such human terror?
    How many nations does it take to build a coalition force? (We already have 30 plus countries)
    Does anyone know the IQ of Abe Lincoln, George Washington, FDR, Jefferson? (To name a few) Would you have wanted these people as presidents when they were presidents?
    Do you think Gorbachev did not secretly desire to have the same freedom for his people as US was enjoying? Do not the Iraq people deserve the same?
    Why introduce any kind of variation in foreign policy now?
    US Citizen
    (I may catch some heat on this!!!!)
     

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    #108994

    a simple question
    Participant

    With due respect to your passionate and heartfelt contribution – does the US police the world?   How and when did we assume that mantel?  

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    #108995

    Joeast
    Participant

    “With due respect to your passionate and heartfelt contribution – does the US police the world? How and when did we assume that mantel?”Hey, if we have a bunch of terrorists running around with intent to hit us again then we have a perfectly legitimate reason to go over there and wipe those turds out. There are some people out there who just don’t get it. One radio talk show host sums up the war on terror: “Hitler has returned in a head scarf.”

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    #108996

    you simpleton
    Member

    Joeast,
    With all due respect, you are a warmongering idiot.
    Your colleague,
    Due Diligence

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    #109004

    Mikel
    Member

    I’ll take bets that Jesse has 20 points at least on W.

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    #109005

    Grownup Realist
    Participant

    Of course, another brilliant, educated, highbrow, liberal, calls someone an idiot.  How unusual…no new material there.  Ya know, my thesis is that most of you are leftover trekkies…you took the “prime directive” from the show and applied it to real life.  How silly you are!  You think that you exist in a vacuum, and that your “intellectual prowess” makes you invinceable. 
    America is free, free for the taking if we don’t protect ourselves from terror and silly ideas like yours.  Did you see how gross it is when they hack of one of our allies’ heads?  Doesn’t that make your blood boil and rage?  Or do you think that it grows back at the end of the cartoon?  THEY WANT US DEAD, THEY DON’T LIKE YOU OR ME….Oh, and they never saw a single episode of Star Trek. 
    As for me, I want to see us kick their asses until they decide that the only thing God wants is peace on earth…till then…reserve your judgement for those who want to kill you, not those who like a guy in the White House.

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    #109013

    VGB
    Member

    Complete Nonsense

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    #109014

    VGB
    Member

    Agree fully with you.

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    #109023

    idiot was improper… sorry
    Participant

    Grownup Realist,
    I do apologize for using the term idiot before, especially to those idiots that might have been offended by the inclusion in their group of the poster in question.  An idiot has the intellectual development of a three year old and could not have put forth the level of cogent argument that you and the other poster have – assuming that you are not one in the same.   Warmongering moron was more appropriate as that indicates an intellectual development in line with the average eight to twelve year old.   More emoting and finding others to blame than a logical and objective assessment including some painful introspection of how we got to where we are and the most logical and direct path for resolution.   I no longer think of you as an idiot.  That was improper and I retract that statement, you Sir are a warmongering moron.   Your voice was heard. 
    Your friend in logic,
    Due Diligence

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    #109024

    RubberDude
    Member

    Undecided,
    This posting has, obviously, stirred a lot of emotions from a lot of folks.  I applaud you for your ability to create such debate out of a very short question.  I would offer my services as facilitator when it comes to a couple of the posters choosing whether to use guns or knives in the impending duel.
    On a bit more of a serious note, I would just like to say that I certainly am happy and blessed that I live in a country (the good ol’ USA) where public debates of this nature are accepted and encouraged and where we, as citizens, have the right to take our opinions and beliefs to the polls and choose our leadership as opposed to a nation where the leader chose himself.  It is also great that the president of this nation is not omnipotent or autonomous and can be held in check and accountable by two other branches of our democratic form of government and each accountable to the other two branches.  And all of them are accountable to the voting mass.
    While I do not believe we have much of a choice between the two main candidates in the running, we, as a voting people, have only ourselves and the NON-voting people to blame.  We all have a voice…. it’s called our VOTE.  We also have a duty to encourage anyone and everyone QUALIFIED to vote, to exercise that right.
    I don’t care if you support Bush, Kerry, Nader, or even Jesse “The Body” Ventura…. or even if you want to write in “The Governator”…. VOTE!!!  Better yet, if you think you can do better…. RUN for office!!!
    Become part of the “sqeaky wheel….”
    (The preceding rantings are the expressions of RubberDude and not, necessarily, the opinions of isixsigma.com.  These comments are not directed at any one person, but to any and all citizens of a democratic society who stumble into this forum.  Any rebroadcast or retransmission of these comments must have the expressed written permission from RubberDude.  You may purchase these rights by sending a cashier’s check for $100,000.00 USD to RubberDude.  GO YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!)

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    #109025

    Joeast
    Participant

    So true Grownup….Liberals have nothing to bring to the table but cheap criticisms. They are attacking the wrong people. Liberals need to focus, like you said, on the turds that want to kill any person that is from the west and any person that doesn’t practice their religion. Oh yeah, their so called religion of peace….what a joke. These are the same animals who will not hesitate to burn down a catholic church but if we go near their mosques they go crazy; the very same mosques they hideout in knowing we won’t go into them. These are also the same trash that commit genocide in Africa by slaughtering black christians and fund the killing of schoolchildren in Russia. Liberals need to wake up and understand what is at stake here. This guy running around calling people idiots really needs a reality check.

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    #109028

    liberal?
    Participant

    JOEAST (now in all upper case indicating a rising sense of just and moral outrage?)
    Liberal?   Where did that come from?   I just don’t think you and your friend are very bright, and I admit that my opinion was formed from reading your ravings about killing “those other guys…” whoever they might turn out to be.   It’s very possible that you are intelligent and have periodic episodic bouts of irrational anger.   Is that better?    
    Your friend in rational communication,
    Due Diligence

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    #109036

    Mikel
    Member

    How about them Yankees?

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    #109038

    VGB
    Member

    Very Ugly ,”Bias”, Racial & “Stinking”Attitude.Lot of  “hatred” with complete lack of “Humanity”. Shame on…..
    Where we can find the Six Sigma here?How to apply the “DMAIC”with such complete lack of any logic thinking ?……
    Just my humble opinion,so I could be wrong

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    #109040

    aBBinMN
    Participant

    With their payroll what it is, the Yankee’s should have won 140 regular-season games and blown the Twins out 3 games out of 3. The Yankees are like a guy who buys a new Porsche and thinks he’s hot stuff because he can beat a world class marathon runner in a 26.2 mile race. They’re like Microsoft thinking their product is so great when the only reason it sells is because their anti-competitive trade practices have stifled serious competition. Nothing against the players, because some of them are decent folks individually. It’s just that for the fans to be so proud and excited about them is a bit like me getting all excited about Best Buy store (based in MN) outselling Joe’s Corner Video and Bait Shop in whatever part of the world you’re in.

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    #109041

    aBBinMN
    Participant

    Here’s the big Six Sigma question:
    How many different names has Stan posted under on this thread? I think I recognize at least 2, not counting his own.

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    #109045

    Stan? nope…
    Member

    Here is a bigger Six Sigma question:  If you jump to incorrect conclusions like you do and spout off like you do, how effective are you as a BB in MN?  My thought is, “Not very.”   But possibly it’s really just Three Sigma in MN, so comparatively you’re pretty good.??..

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    #109047

    Darth
    Participant

    Let’s all cool the rhetoric and watch tonight.  Then we can trash each other again tomorrow.  Noticed that Germany’s Shroeder nixed any German troops going to Iraq.  Also a study came out that said the budget suggestions both candidates have are full of crap.  That sort of takes away two of Kerry’s big claims.  Let’s see how Tweedle D and Bush do tonight.

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    #109049

    boettler
    Member

     “see how Tweedle D and Bush do tonight”  that’ll cool the rhetoric… 
     
    Here is a good perspective on the debate:
     http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-0410130238oct13,1,4979512.column?coll=chi-news-hed

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    #109051

    aBBinMN
    Participant

    If you want to call my conclusions unproven, that’s one thing. If you want to call them incorrect you should be able to provide supporting data. On one side (mine) we have historical data. On the other, we have conjecture, untested hypothesis, and (dare I say?) wishful thinking.
    If we’re going to estimate effectiveness as a Black Belt from how we “spout off” on iSixSigma… I am SO tempted! I think other readers would see it as a waste of time, and we should try to be considerate of them.
    Have a good night, Stan! Before you go, though… any predictions on which position JK is going to take in tonight’s debate? What will he be for before he’s against, but only if we have a true international coalition that doesn’t depend on France?

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    #109052

    braaannnntttt….
    Participant

    braaannnntttt….  (sound of an electronic buzzer)     Nope.   Sorry to say 124 won’t suffice – and, at that, can you locate, scan in and post documentation to that effect?   Perhaps you should try an arcane and martial arts sounding approach to continuous improvement…  By all indication applications are accepted willy-nilly.   

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    #109055

    batman
    Participant

    Great arguments folks!
    But how about we put all of this on the “parking lot”?
    “Must save Gotham!”
    -Batman

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    #109057

    Mikel
    Member

    I hate to tell you, but Stan only posts as Stan. Your detective abilities need some work. Maybe you are thinking about Reigle?

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    #109082

    VGB
    Member

    Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnkkkk
    YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOUUUUU
    What about thaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?  

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    #109087

    RubberDude
    Member

    Everyone wants to bash Steinbrenner for the Yankee’s payroll.  Fact is, any MLB team can have the same payroll.  It’s not George’s fault that the other teams are “cheap.”  Another fact is that the Cards won more games with almost HALF the payroll as the Yanks.  So, money isn’t everything.  You compare Best Buy to Joe’s.  Well, when you are in a small business, you SHOULD benchmark your big competitors.  I know of a small sole proprietorship here with three employees and their benchmark is WalMart.  And they succeed in their business.  Quite well, I might add.
    The Yankees are not “Porches vs. marathon runners” as you put it.  Maybe GS has outbid other teams for most of the players, but it’s not a case for the team having any better chance than any other team in MLB.  There are 29 other teams.  If they banded together, they could “buy” all of the “stars” of the Yankees, but do you really believe that would level the playing field?  I think not.  The playing field is already pretty doggone level.
    If your “theory” about the 140 games had ANY truth to it, the Yankees would have taken every WS every year for the past 75.
    Face facts.  Joe Torre and his staff are very high on the list of coaches.  And with the talent in the starting lineup along with Rivera, the Yankees are very intimidating.  But the Yankees are most certainly beatable.  That has been proven in the past.
    And anyway…. isn’t the name of the game to form a team based on pitching, defense, and sluggers?  Name me one of the eight teams in the division series (NL and AL) who DIDN’T have those factors going for them.
    Eight teams….. one Champion……. GO YANKEES!!!!!!
    (Wonder if Torre could use a BB on his staff?)

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