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  • #27106

    howe
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    I was told there is a website that verifies authenticity of Six Sigma Black Belt certification. Does anyone know of that website and the address?

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    #65940

    Marc Richardson
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    Who is doing the certifying? ASQ is currently developing a balck belt certification program somewhat along the same lines as their CQE certification. Another organization called International Quality Federation, headed by Pyzdek, in cooperation with Boeing and the Univ. of Arizona are developing a certification program. Part of the challenge here is to develop an agreed upon set of criteria based on a common body of knowledge. I personnaly believe that an organization like ASQ is best-positioned to be the arbiter in hammering out that kind of consensus.

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    #65941

    howe
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    Why ASQ? How can you give an exam to prove Black Belt compentancy? Six Sigma Academy, Smarter Solutions and a series of others broke off talks with ASQ because of their disagreement with the exam approach. What about those of us who have been certified for years by Motorola or GE?
    My initial question was I heard there was an outfit that verifies genuine certification, whether it be from Six Sigma Academy, Motorola U of GE or whoever? I’m not sure how they do that or how valid it is.
    The problem is there is no regulation or standards on who can certify Black Belts. At this point, you can only go on reputation.

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    #65950

    Cone
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    Who are trying to kid — certified for years by GE – they only started in early 1996, so at best some are coming up on 5 years — most with much less. Motorola only started BB after it gained popularity with AlliedSignal and GE. No such thing as being certified for years. All calling themselves Black Belts are novices with a lot yet to learn.

    Mikel Harry broke off because he wants everyone to believe he really did this on his own which is also nonsense. Dr. Harry has never implemented anything — just taken credit for many others work.

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    #65958

    howe
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    Sorry to disagree…my cert is dated March 1998. Years implies plural tense…as in more than 1. I rate myself as an accomplished Black Belt. In addition I am an instructor but hestitate to call myself a Master Black Belt due to my utmost respect for my instructors. My instructor was from Motorola U (spent time with Shingo and Tuguchi in Japan and was one of the Six Sigma method originators…you should see his face turn red when you mention Dr. Harry!) as well as a few Master Black Belts from GE teaching soft skills. Care to knock their credibility?

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    #65965

    Marc Richardson
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    Why ASQ? Because they have built up decades of credibility. As a non-profit, they have no particular axe to grind, no particular individual or group to promote. They will volunteer that their Six Sigma BB training was set up by Six Sigma Academy and closely follows their model.
    As for testing, they’ve been giving CQE tests and certifying QE’s for years and I’ve never heard anyone discredit their certifications. Also, part of the certification process will require one to provide evidence of leading multiple successful six sigma projects.
    Finally, to have ASQ offer a certification does not invalidate Motorola or anyone else’s approach, so far, there is plenty of market for everyone to share.

    Marc Richardson

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    #65967

    howe
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    Marc-
    That’s an excellent arguement…if their certification requirement requires proof of training and project completion and success. I have heard that they broke off talks with the major Six Sigma consulting firms and will soon end their relationship with ASQ. Don’t get me wrong, I am a local chapter ASQ board member but I am nervous about rumours of “fast-tracking” CQEs to Black Belt certification. The only inquiries I get from ASQ members is from quality engineers who want Black Belt certs so they can get better jobs and more money.

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    #65978

    Cone
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    Absolutely, they are lightweights compared with anyone who has been after this stuff for decades.

    GE’s aggressive approach is wonderful and most companies don’t understand that, but their experience is light compared to what it will be in ten years — assuming they stay on the path.

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    #66023

    Ken Myers
    Participant

    Mike,

    Not sure if you received a reply, but the location you’re interested in is: http://www.iqfnet.org

    Ken

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    #66026

    denton
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    I find it a little disconcerting that there are “Six Sigma” programs springing up that have little connection to anything I think of as Six Sigma. I’m even aware of one that advertises itself as “statistics free.” Wow. That’s like buying a car and finding out it has no engine. I also take exception to warmed over TQM stuff being sold as Six Sigma.

    On the other hand, I’m skeptical of the ASQ effort. I don’t think you can certify a belt from a multiple choice test, and I take some offense at ASQ’s position that MBB is a little lower than CQE or CQM. I have my CQM, thanks, and it was a walk in the park compared to becoming an MBB.

    May 23-24, Iomega is co-hosting a Six Sigma conference with IQPC. One of the panel discussions is whether we need a standard or reference document. I’m the host of the discussion. Judging from what I see here, that should be an interesting panel….

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    #66087

    Jina Jayanetti
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    I have experienced the “certification criteria” dilemma as a Master Black Belt with 2 companies, and I believe it is an issue that almost every company working with Six Sigma is also wrestling with. Just my opinion, but we could all save some time and energy if ASQ would champion a standard certification process that could be independent of training. Then companies could spend their time on what is often overlooked – reward and recognition and career pathing.

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    #66255

    Sukotto
    Member

    Gary,

    No, everyone broke it off because ASQ got them all into the room under false pretense. ASQ told them all that the meeting was to help establish certification standards. After they went through 1 day of what essentially amounted to a task/content analysis they found out that ASQ had an instructional designer sitting in the back of the room taking notes with the intention of building competeing products. ASQ lost all credibility at that point. For them to try and take leadership of Six Sigma is a laugh.

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    #66256

    Sukotto
    Member

    ASQ involvement is the antithesis of what Six Sigma is about. Six Sigma is class struggle in corporate America. Its about giving the tools of improvement to the people who struggle with the issues everyday. ASQ is about anointing the chosen few. ASQ would love to get a corner on Six Sigma so they can turn it into an elite group of cheese eaters just like they did with the quality professionals. Non-profit does not mean they don’t have an agenda.

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