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  • #36115

    mman
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    I’m planning to participate in the Villanova University  SS BB’s certificate program .Any positive or negative advice in this regard should be appreciated greatly,thanks and regards.   Mman

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    #106769

    sla1068
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    Mman,
    I have to say that I had a great experience with Villanova University’s SS BB program. All of the instructors are knowledgeable in the subject matter at hand… I have but one point of contention: Minitab and possibly MS Project instruction should be part of the program. I was certified in June of 2004 and all of the calculations I did for exercises and my project were done by hand. That is great because it shows you the route of how to get a good calculation, but it’s bad in the sense that you must know the real world application of solving these problems…And that means using Minitab or some other software.
    Just a Thought,
    sla

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    #106774

    Mikel
    Member

    Wow, what a stupid program.

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    #106775

    Nobody Expert
    Participant

    Any “good”reason for this statement,thanks & regards.

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    #106777

    Mikel
    Member

    Yes, one of the most improtant factors in Six Sigma’s spread in the last decade was the availability of inexpensive software to make possible to do in seconds what would take days by hand.
    In terms of classroom instruction, an exercise that would take twenty minutes becomes one that takes hours. This limits the amount of materials covered without good reason.
    This strategy could only be concieved by an academic. I question their real knowledge.

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    #106779

    Nobody Expert
    Participant

    Thank You for your advice.I have participated first in the GB Program,later I will go for the BB,What is your opinion?thanks and regards.

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    #106790

    Nobody Expert
    Participant

    Thank You.May be they want  the trainees to go into the root cause of calculation,to upgrade the level of comprehension,just “may be”,regards.

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    #106820

    Obiwan
    Participant

    Although I do not believe that non-hands on programs do not create great Black Belts…I also do not believe that programs that ignore the basics of our studies create great Black Belts. 
    By asking the students to really understand the calculations, we avoid the issue of creating one button wonders.  Something that many Six Sigma programs have created.  I have actually seen Master Black Belts that were helpless to calculate a simple t-test by hand.  They were given the average, standard deviation, sample size and alpha…but not the raw data.  When this occurred, they were helpless.
    We, as a profession, should consider ALL the ramifications of any program.  The Villanova program (which I have not been a part of in any way) could be a great program.  Two additional questions I would ask about it are:  (1) do they require hands on work to complete the program, i.e at least one project completed before certification and (2) do they teach BB’s how to do statistics by hand and by software…BOTH?
    Just my $.02 on this…having watched many BB’s struggle due to a lack of knowledge of what they were talking about.
    Obiwan

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    #106823

    Nobody Expert
    Participant

    Thank you for your wise contribution.Anyhow  I will start the GB  course in Oct.2004,later after finishing  the BB Course I will be able to answer your questions.Thank you again for the enlightenment,regards 

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    #106828

    dmaic
    Participant

    I was put in charge to find out the best GB programs out there and I thourghly went through the demo of Villanova and BMG. The observations I saw were,
    1. Villanova is an established name in education, on the other hand BMG is an established name among the Six Sigma professionals and thier vast practical knowledge and the requirement to use Mini-Tab for the GB course was an important factor in making my decision.
    2. They both are great programs based on what I saw. However BMG had put together a better presentation than Villanova.
    3. Villanova did not have a certification exam at the end. They require you to take the ASQ exam and BMG on the other hand have a certification exam for GB, BB and MBB. You also would get a discount on BMG BB if you do their GB.
    4. Since I am looking for the practical application of the Six Sigma methodologies, I recommended to my MBB that BMG is the best fit based on what I found. Also they do have a Yellow Belt non-certification program and that would be ideal for someone with no knowlege in Six Sigma.
    5. My MBB agreed and we are going with MBB.
    This is my opinion and your needs and opinion could be different. But I thought this may be helpful for someone out there.
    GOOD LUCK!

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    #106857

    Mikel
    Member

    It’s a stupid program.
    Obiwan’s concerns about MBB’s are valid, but send them to a real stats course if they are put out there as experts.
    Having students do calculations by hand is akin to having a Microsoft user banned from using Windows until they know how to code the software. – STUPID

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    #110057

    Lloyd
    Participant

    Hey Nobody Expert, how are you doing with the Villanova program. Is it “stupid” as Stan described? Please provide an update.Lloyd

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    #176354

    aa
    Participant

    Are you referring to the online certification program from Villanova?
    Thanks,
    AA

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    #176362

    Ron
    Member

    Avoid any class that has the words Six Sigma and University in them…the tweo do not go together..

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