‘Well Just Leave It There Til We Need It’

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    Just did a Sort and Set in a remote area of the plant, on a high floor.

    There’s a large piece of scaffolding that Maintenance apparently abandoned years ago – no one remembers the last time it was used.

    We red tagged it and sent out an email.

    The Maintenance Supervisor said – “We will leave it in place until we need it.”

    Happy to fight the good fight – BUT, to be fair, to get it out of there, we’d need a crane and a hoisting crew for the day (it’s on the tenth floor with no elevators).

    BUT it’s almost never used.

    What’s the right answer, Internet?


    Andrew Parr

    Almost never……………so it is used.

    Is there the best place for it to be stored?  If you red tag and get rid of it, when might it be needed and what is the cost of having to get a new one into place when it is needed?


    These and many other questions need answering before you incur the wrath of Maintenance and get rid of it!




    Mike Carnell

    @alonzomosley I didn’t think anyone else in this world remembered Midnight Run.

    Anytime you need a crane to get something down Gravity will also work. It doesn’t work well to lift things.


    Aaron Olson

    @alonzomosley I saw your question on another forum that I crawl sometimes but this vehicle is faster.

    Feel free to take this with a mountain of salt but hopefully it allows for conversation:

    I have a few assumptions about 5S that are continually improving:

    • 5S is used to solve problems and not simply to be organized, shiny, and “right”; it may solve not having the right items when/where you need them, knowing when something is out of standard condition, not knowing where to find things, allowing for standard work to be visualized, improve flow to avoid waiting, inventory, transportation, and movement, etc.
    • There are no “5S police” (unless that’s your job within the company, in which case you make the rules then?) that will catch you for not doing things “right”  —  (Sorry, @mike-carnell , I sort of stole that from you)
    • Moving something out of an area will not, typically, make you magically more efficient or cut cost drastically; it does allow you space to focus on the work and see it clearly enough to improve it

    With the above framework, I recommend asking yourself the following questions:

    1. What advantage does moving this equipment actually have?
    2. Does it outweigh the cost of moving it in the first place?
    3. Is that area desperately needed and will allow you to avoid cost, job loss, panic, hysteria, chaos, etc.?
    4. Does having it there prevent addressing flow, placement, or following each S for where the work is being done?
    5. Is safety a concern?

    Certainly, you need to find the balance here because you are the one responsible for working on this and you have to work with your co-workers over the long-run.  I would at least consider finding what is most impactful and pursuing that; I can always come back and move this junk out of the way later on.


    Mike Carnell

    @aaronolson No problem. I am proud of you. Bob Galvin was the CEO of Motorola (his father started Motorola) and he direction to us was “to steal shamelessly.” (not illegally but never walk away from a good idea).


    Daniel Alfano

    I would suggest that you think on your spare tire. You “almost never” use it. But, Will you get rid of it?

    Also, see the picture attached we use in our 5S training, hope it helps.5S ABC frequency

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    Andrew Parr

    Daniel, an interesting choice.  Here in the UK a national car hire Company no longer buys spare wheels with their cars as they are so rarely used.  Apparently, nationally it saved them £5 million (around $6 million) in the first year.




    Chris Seider

    a remote area…. was this necessary on the pareto of areas to tackle?


    IF it’s used sometimes…as hinted by your post–consider the economics and effort for removal and reinstalling.

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