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  • #36971

    batman
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    Let’s say that someone gets a shelf to sort out their tools and this improves their work.
    Is this considered “process improvement”?
     

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    #107810

    Peppe
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    Why someone could do somethings without expetaction of positive return (?process improvements?) ?  
    Peppe

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    #107836

    RubberDude
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    By putting “process improvement” in quotation marks, are you asking if this is something that can be put under the SS umbrella as process improvement?
    I would think that if it makes the person more productive, and adds value to the output, then sure….. call it process improvement.  Does it matter what “umbrella” you put it under?  (Lean, SS, 5S, common sense, etc.)

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    #107839

    sweettalker
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    If quality and/or efficiency has improved to more than justify the cost, it’s process improvement. Otherwise I call it a shelf.
    I’ve got lots of stuff sitting around the house and garage – shelves, tools, tool hangers, cleaning supplies – that I bought to improve my processes. Most of them are just taking up space. The single biggest true process improvement was putting a paper bag next to the mailbox to put junk mail into immediately. It’s cut down tremendously on the wait time for junk mail destined for recycling while simultaneously reducing the amount of re-sorting and cleaning time later.

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    #107845

    batman
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    This wouldn’t be under the SS umbrella.
     

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    #107846

    batman
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    The person says that they are more productive.
    But under SS it would need to have a before measurement and an after measurement. Right?
    So if there is no SS implementation involved, then this is a “process improvement”.
     

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    #107847

    batman
    Participant

    So you agree that this is a process improvement.
    What would Deming / Juran / Taguchi / Shewhart / Feigenbaum / etc. say?
     

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    #107850

    RubberDude
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    Holy Hypothesis, Batman!!!!  You’re Right!!
    I’m one of those who doesn’t care if you want to call it continuous improvement, Deming, Juran, Six Sigma, 5S, Lean, Crosby, Still, Nash, Young, or Hooba Stank!!
    I think I would call this one “good ol’ common sense.”
    I DO wonder if there were measurements taken from this process before and after.

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    #107864

    sweettalker
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    Before measurement: bad
    After measurement: better
    Feelings and impressions, etc. are measurements even if they are imprecise, unrepeatable, and irreproducible. Besides, the original question wasn’t whether the process had actually improved. That the work whether you could call it process improvement, assuming “the work” had in fact improved.

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    #107866

    RubberDude
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    Aahh… but Sweetalker…… In the SS world, the measurements have to have some numerical value, and be “somewhat” precise, repeatable, and reproducible.  The original didn’t ask about SS, but subsequent postings did raise the question and this IS a SS forum.  But I doubt you can put a “sigma” level to the “bad/better” scenario you present.
    Maybe if you took before and after surveys or used a 5S type scorecard….. So I’ll water down that last sentence.
    Yes, you can call it improvement if the “gut feel” is so.  Again, call it what you want, but your “after measurement” result is the one that counts: “better.”

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    #107872

    RubberDude
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    “If quality and/or efficiency has improved to more than justify the cost, it’s process improvement. Otherwise I call it a shelf.”
    Hmmmmm…… I’m not sure.   Can you not call it “process improvement” if it merely makes things look better and more organized?  Maybe there is an unseen safety factor that is improved.
    I think we’re on the same wavelength here, though.

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    #107873

    sweettalker
    Member

    If it makes things look better, that’s by definition an improvement. Not sure if it’s process improvement, though.
    As for organization… who’s to say that more is better when it comes to organization?

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    #107876

    RubberDude
    Member

    “As for organization… who’s to say that more is better when it comes to organization?”
    Can I use that next time my girlfriend asks me to clean and organize the table beside my chair?
    I guess the 5S devil on my shoulder just keeps whispering “more organization is better” in my ear.  I just can’t come up with a good example (in the Lean world) where the scenario in the first posting would not be considered process improvement.  (Not to say someone can’t and won’t.)

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    #107893

    batman
    Participant

    So???
    Under what “quality” methodologies / theory does this imply improvement or process improvement?
    SS, Lean, Kaizen, TQM, Booga-booga?
    Very curious…

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    #107895

    Solo
    Member

    B Man,
    I believe this would “drill down” as such:  SS -> Lean -> 5S -> “Seiton” (The 2nd S – Set In Order)…
    -Solo

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    #107919

    RubberDude
    Member

    I think it should come under the POCS system…….
    Plain Old Common Sense……..

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