What is the purpose?
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January 26, 2007 at 12:02 pm #45949
CityidiotParticipant@CityidiotInclude @Cityidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Why to teach all types of statistic in the SS-BB Courses?if We usually use only 5-10% of the real taught tools and statistical equations in the real life experience?
0January 26, 2007 at 1:32 pm #151087
accringtonParticipant@accringtonInclude @accrington in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Who is we?
What are real taught tools and statistical equations? Which 5 – 10% do “we”use?
What is real life experience?
0January 26, 2007 at 2:37 pm #151092
Dan ChaunceyParticipant@Dan-ChaunceyInclude @Dan-Chauncey in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I don’t accept your statement. I created a quick list (probably missed some) of the tools taught to SS/BBs and found that I have used way more than 10%.
Chi Sq Used
ANOVA Used
T-test Used
Paired t-test Not Used
Z-test Not Used
DOE Not Used
ANOM Used
Gage R&R Used
Sample Size Calculations Used
Simple regression Used
Multiple regression Not Used
Logistic regression Used
0January 26, 2007 at 2:50 pm #151093
Ancient StatisticsParticipant@Ancient-StatisticsInclude @Ancient-Statistics in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Reason 1: The way statistics is taught in Six Sigma is way outdated. The “tools” are being taught as separate tools rather than showing the students how all of the “classical tools” can be translated and reduced to the simple correlation coefficient (t-test, ANOVA, Regression, Chi-Square). In addition, the tools that organizations really need, i.e. the exploratory, data mining tools are not being taught. There is still the bias that data exploration is a “fishing expedition” and that the only good statistical analysis is based on experimental design. So you end up with frustrated GBs and BBs who have to forcefit their “toolkit” to the problem rather than use the tools to identify the problem. What is “root cause analysis” other than identifying/naming the problem and understanding the mechanisms that create the problem. Common sense has been lost in the narrow-minded fixation on “inferential statistics”.
Reason 2: The way Six Sigma is being deployed. If your goal is to “certify” x GBs and BBs you have a certification process including a “body of knowledge” blessed by the ASQ you get a training program that was developed about 18 years ago and hasn’t changed or adapted since then.
Six Sigma has ossified into a template that is forcefit into each organization. Unless you have someone experienced enough to adapt this methodology to the specific needs of the organization, it can be quite a frustratring experience.
0January 26, 2007 at 2:57 pm #151094They don’t teach all that much.
If we assume you are using the royal “We” to refer to yourself then just because you only choose to use 5-10% of what you were taught doesn’t mean that everyone else shares your dilemma.
If you are using the “We” to refer to the global set of users of statistics then I would have to quote the author whose name escapes me at the moment and say ” It is well known that 47% of all statistics are made up on the spur of the moment.”0January 26, 2007 at 4:43 pm #151105
Idiotinmath.Participant@Idiotinmath.Include @Idiotinmath. in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Excellent reply,thank you
0January 26, 2007 at 5:01 pm #151109You don’t have a clue about what you are writing about here.
0January 28, 2007 at 12:20 am #151170To increase the income for six sigma consultant is the reason for it. Many more peoples should ask this same question and would give great benefit.
Ishikawa’s law should be used – 7 tools of quality only are important.0January 29, 2007 at 10:15 am #151187
accringtonParticipant@accringtonInclude @accrington in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Thanks Pierre. How can I use Ishikawa’s tools instead of some of the methods that I currently use in Product/ Process development, Sensory Testing and Consumer research, some examples of which I’ve listed below. Please tell me how I can get away without using these pesky statistical tools.
Experimental design/ RSM/ Mixture Designs – which of the seven tools should I use here?
Sensory Testing – Mixed Model Designs/ Multivariate Methods – which of the seven tools can I use here?
Repeated Measures Designs/ Split Plot Designs/ Conjoint Analysis – which of the seven tools can I use instead of these?
Gauge R & R/ Interlaboratory studies – which of the seven tools can I use here?0January 29, 2007 at 11:04 am #151191
Idiotinmath.Participant@Idiotinmath.Include @Idiotinmath. in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Stan,Stan & STAN? (not Satan?)
0January 29, 2007 at 12:57 pm #151195
accringtonParticipant@accringtonInclude @accrington in your post and this person will
be notified via email.It’s Santa.
Why don’t you copy one of the questions out of your Statistics for Dummies book and see if he can answer it?0January 29, 2007 at 2:06 pm #151198
Idiotin math.Participant@Idiotin-math.Include @Idiotin-math. in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Instead of dancing about the questions ,have some courage and answer the simple question which was posted to you?Otherwise ??
0January 29, 2007 at 2:25 pm #151201
accringtonParticipant@accringtonInclude @accrington in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Otherwise what?
Give me the e – mail address of your tutor and I’ll send it to him/ her directly0 -
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