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    Uma MB
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    A company starts getting into the Six Sigma Initiative to begin with, heralds many process improvements, starts lining up MBBs, BBs and Green Belts. But exactly when does it get known as a Six Sigma Company. There is no certification involved. So, what decides or who decides that a company has become a Six Sigma company ?
    Thanks in advance to all those who reply this query seriously.
    Regards,
    Uma.
     
     

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    #69056

    inamdar s r
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    when you control defects at 3.4 nos per million opportunities.

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    #69073

    Parul
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    When all your processes are at 6 sigma level. The sigma value for the processes in each area..HR, Finance, Core Business processes, etc are rolled -up at the organisation level to arrive at a organisation level sigma value.

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    #69076

    TNG
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    When you finally realize that the Emperor wears no clothes.

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    #69078

    V.D.V.R.RAO
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    I have not come across any International/national standards stipulating the criteria for a company to become a Six Sigma Company. Six sigma is for a process, product or service. Company is an entity comprising many processes, products, services, functions and interfaces. 
    Based on the objectives and quality policy of the company, the quality management system is designed. If the CTQs are identified for each objective and element of quality policy, sigma level could be evaluated.
    It is an interesting query and I would like to have the other responses received. Thanks.
    Regards
    V.D.V.R.RAO

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    #69079

    Enio Feijo
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    When I started the deployment of 6-Sigma in my organization I had the same kind of question ” When will we be a Six-Sigma Company”.
    After almost two years, I have learned that we will never be a Six Sigma company.  We already have processes that are Six Sigma and we will have much more as more people are trained and more projects are implemented. But, we can never certify or say that a company is Six Sigma.
    Six Sigma is a mind set, or a cultural change. Is a search for areas of improvement every day.

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    #69082

    john beaudoin
    Participant

    In asking your question, you have opened yourself up to many potential answers.  Your question is similar to asking, “When does a boy become a Man?” As I checked your 1st responses, the answer just before this one was good.  However, I could tell that there are a bunch of engineers answering as well.  6-Sigma is a few things. 
    Training tells us that the mathmatic definition is the 3.4 dpmo.  The problem is someone created a logo for it and started naming classes associated with it. (The Air Academy?)  This has muddied the water about what one means when talking about 6-Sigma. 
    As 6-Sigma became popular after ISO9000, and other ISO#’s, you may be asking about some kind of Certification.  The answer here is there is none.  You will know you have reached 6-Sigma when your processes churn out 3.4 dpmo.
    From a shareholder’s perspective, you are a 6-Sigma company if you have Greenbelts, Blackbelts, and Champions; Your company starts putting a 6-Sigma logo by its name and starts showing graphs and tools during meetings.
    Depending on your definition, you are a 6-Sigma company when you achieve mathmatical 6-Sigma or that as long as you are trying to achieve mathmatical 6-Sigma then you are a 6-Sigma company.  Choose the one that fits best for you.

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    #69083

    Romesh
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    You are correct.
    I believe, there is no organization in the world which has become a “six sigma company”. No company has achieved a six sigma level of performance in all of its processes. Six Sigma is a journey.
    RKJ

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    #69090

    melvin
    Participant

    Probably the best test is some kind of assessment, by an independent organization,  a  year or so after all the executive and management champions have left the company and the workers continue to apply Six Sigma principles and techniques and continue to get results.
    One word to the wise……   “entropy”.

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    #69094

    Ganesh Kumar
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    A Company that has the Six Sigma Philosophy in its Genetic Code would rightly be called in as a Six Sigma Company. A Company that practices Six Sigma would try to address each and every business processes to a 3.4 DPMO level and thereby talk the language of Six Sigma in whatever it does. It is very difficult to have a 3.4 DPMO level in all its process. Hence, the Company that constantly uses this methodology & measurement for Imrpovement on a Target of 3.4 DPMO is rightly called a Six Sigma company.

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    #69096

    Patrick Waddick
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    Regarding the certification involvement, I would tend to believe that a third party should never be relied upon to assess, and certify, whether a company has “become” Six Sigma. The company itself should know where they stand on reaching Six Sigma in all its businesses, processes, products and services. The company’s customer base should always be in a position to “feel” whether or not the company is producing Six Sigma output and whether or not the company is getting better at satisfying their needs.As posted many times before in this forum, Six Sigma is an ongoing endeavor. At one time, reports came out that CEO Jack Welch wanted all of GE’s businesses to be operating at Six Sigma by the turn of the millenium. It was highly unlikely that this would ever happen in the mathematical sense that every business, process, product and service was delivered and executed at less than 3.4 DPMO. But who can argue with setting that as a goal? If a snapshot was taken of GE prior to its Six Sigma deployment, it might have revealed that only one or two of its businesses were near 6.0 Sigma and most of them hovering around the range of 3.0 to 4.5 Sigma. But after a few years of utilizing Six Sigma to further its interests, today a study might reveal that GE is operating at 4.5 Sigma or above on virtually all of its businesses, and that GE is now using more of DFSS to “get over the wall” toward 6.0 Sigma. I’m fairly certain that they’re still not at 6.0 Sigma in all cases, but I’m very sure that they have proven to all interested parties that they are a “Six Sigma company”, taken to mean that they are continually improving on their journey toward 6.0 Sigma and above.-Patrick

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    #69110

    mcleod
    Member

    When a company makes a commitment to following the precepts of the Six Sigma Process, it can call itself a Six Sigma company.  One can question how well they implement it or how far along they are on the path of implementation.   Unfortunately, I have heard of instances where senior management takes a seminar and they decide they are a “total quality”, “customer-oriented”, “world class” or “what have you” labled company simply because they made a decision to be called that or come up with their own definition.
    6 sigma does not have strict guidelines for measuring compliance, like ISO.  Do not get me wrong, I have severe problems with ISO philosophy, but that is another discussion in itself.  My point is there is no way to verify if  a whole company is using 6 sigma precepts.
    My opinion, and it is my personal opinion only, is that if you have a plan or a process for applying the six sigma philosophy and you see demonstrated effort to follow that across the company at most levels, you are probably there.  AND you are to be commended. 
    Unfortunately a discipline that calls for hard numbers seems to lack them for its own universal application.  A lot of companies adopt their own “good enough” definitions.  I hope 6 sigma does not get stuck with this watered down stigma. 
    Do not get me wrong, I think it is wonderful if a company tries to impr

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    #69130

    kishore
    Participant

    Hi,
    I am not that much experienced, but as far as my knowledge is concerned, Any Company under any circumstances/clauses cannot be called as Six Sigma Company. Because No company on earth can define all their business processes. Somewhere or the other you will not be in a position to describe your process. Six Sigma is only for Processes, but not for organizations. If I am wrong please send a mail to kkkommu@yahoo.com clarifying why it is so.
    regards
    kishore

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