which is the most recognised black belt

Oh yeah, it’s right up there with the others he mentioned.  If it wasn’t for your constant touting of the program, most of us wouldn’t even know it exists.  Frankly, never met or interviewed anyone who ever got their certification from there. 

I have and was not impressed.  They did the case study project to get certified – what a waste of money.

It is not  true?They have  an  excellent  simulated  project with 10  assignments and  you  have  to  receive  a  full  credit  for  each  assignment,beside  passing  some  10  Exam. with more than 70%.They  have  four  projects (HC,Manuf.,Finance and  Education),and  you  have to  complete  one   project  before  passing  the  course successfully.The  Eucation Project (for  example)  is  quite complicated and  “Challanging” for many  pretenders?? I  believe that  a  real  BB should  care to  investigate  before presenting  his  opinion??Best  Regards   

And what have you done to improve society? By the way, Sam who??? Now, that’s a lot of crap!
BA

Hi Reigle,MindPro no longer available on DVD? This must be based on its
overwhelming success!Anyone who has actually seen these or had to try to actually learn
from the famous doctor would not recommend.

Yes, please pass my comment on. All of these university programs are just about making money. They
are usually keen for feedback other than checks, p.o.’s, or credit card
numbers. Maybe they can make a simulated project on this in their
rigorous simulated project criteria.

Stan,
Everyone on this forum knows that you’re OCD about anything that has to do with Reigle, Harry, university training, etc. Thanks for showing up. Now go smell the Hummus and have a nice day!

BA
I like  your  answer,straighforward ,hitting the  target,thanks  you.

Recognized does not automatically equate to “good”. Villanova is recognized, at least in part, due to the controversy surrounding their use of simulated/pretend projects for certification. The recognition may not translate into the type of professional value that you seek.

There are others that have programs, but ASQ, GE and Motorola are the usual names that arise.  Michigan University has one – no opinion on effectiveness, just that they have one. Key is that the trainign is done by someone competent and that a real-time, real-life project is performed.  You can search and find a bunch – George Group, Six Sigma Academy, et al. 
We had one BB go through Villanova’s.  It was ok, but the simulated projects were fairly useless and the more statistical tools weren’t emphasized as much as some of the other training offered out there.  I made the BB do a project for me/with me before recognizing them internally.   

No, there is just one hack on here that always pushes Villanova. Look at his language and incorrect use of punctuation to judge his intelligence.
Look for someone who has their roots in Motorola, AlliedSignal, or early GE – they seem to be the best. My opinion is that the group that came out of Allied in 95 and 96 are the best.

gives us the prrrrrrrrrecioussssssssss.
we wants the precioussssssss…..
gives us the Villanova certsifications….
gives us the ASQ certsifications….
gives us the magic 3-day master Black Belt wunder-certsificationsssssss….
ahhh, so beautiful, sooo perrrrfect, soooo precioussss…….

Marlon is AllThingsIdiot, so it must be one of the others.

Harold, you raise an excellent point!

That is truely amazing! So how do they simulate the issues with change management? Running team meetings? Working with Process Owners who may or may not support? Sustainability?
We are supposed to take the Villa Nova Simulated Black Belt with as much credibility as Black Belt who has truely forged their skills in the throws of a deployment? The only thing I can possibly imagine having less credibility is being a digitally certified Black Belt by Dr. Harry and his lap dog Reigle.
The name change from Marlon to Allthingsidiot at least indicates you have some idea what truth in advertising is.
Lebowski

“The  Eucation Project (for  example)  is  quite complicated ..”
It obviously is complicated for you … I see that it’s even difficult for you to spell correctly … or is this just an example of students who are ignorant enough to do it ?

I have gone through the entire package, and yes, I do not own it. I would not pay more than the price of a rewritable DVD for it.

Mark,
WOW! The whole cast of “Les Mis” showed up all at one time, including the “Dude” Lebowski.
On a more serious note, if you’re a MindPro user/owner, what do you like best about it? What changes would you recommend?
BA

Reigle,
You playing these multiple screen names and answering yourself does not fool anyone.
Do me a favor and pretend to be your daughter again – that one was my favorite.

Honestly  Ilike  your  comments,it  makes me  laughing,thanks  you?

What  is the  real-world  project?complete  nonsense?If  you  know  how  to  tackle  a  simulated  project  ,using  the  proper   tools,then  what?you  may  be  able  to  solve  any  problem in  the  real  world (using  some  change  management  hints..etc),don’t  make  it  difficult ,you  know  that  the  real-world  projects are less  sopisticated ,but  more  complicated  on  the ” human-side”,so  what ?people  will  not  cooperate unless  you  motivate  them??.I  believe  the  simulated  projects  are  more  challanging in  regard to required  techniques  and  tools.Have already  enough  experience in  both  sides,just  my  opinion.Please  ask  Stan and  he will  agree with  that,I’m  sure????????  

What  is  wrong  with  that?I  will  pass  to  you one  case  study for  solving  the  required  assignments?I’m  very  sure that you  would  not  pass the  required score?Let  us  face it  :It  is  only  Jealousy that  is  behind all this  debate.Please  ask  Stan/Darth and  they  would  agree?I’m  sure .best  regards  

Mr. allthingsidiotsimulated flight environment compared to real flight for supersonic aircraft pilotssimulated online shopping to real shoppingsimulated visit to antartica to actual visitsimulated love stories to actual onesimulated video games of today to actual games we played on field in child hoodin simulated environment time is in your control situations are in your controlin real world project you will get calls from wife in between your work , children to take care of,
and so many other problems
data collection is such difficult task in actual world training the person who works on process to collect data, make him buy the conceptof process improvement in real world, then getting funds sanctioned from senior management, data not being clean, disturbances from other projects, breakdwon in infrastructure supporting six sigma for one critical day of your projectIF SIMULATED ENVIRONMENT CAN GIVE ALL THIS……
I AM UP FOR IT…….damn it why you guys want it so easy, everything ready.it can be supplementary experience but never primary
NEVER

In my organisation they use the term ‘MINITAB Jockey’

I  enjoy  reading  your  comments.
But  without  simulation nobody  dare  to  fly or  to  fight.Even  nobody  would  introduce  a  new  product  or  service?
Can  you  imagine a  successful actual  test  flight  without  simulation.
Simulation is  the  required  training for  successful practical  achievement.After  all  education  or  on-line  training  can’t  offer  you  more  than  that.
What  do  you  mean by “Nom de plume”?
Thanks  and  best  regards

Simulation for training, yes. In every class I have taken, we have always done a simple simulation of how to use a tool or whatever the case may be, but CERTIFICATION (meaning you are 100% competant to complete all aspects of being a black belt, there is more to it than the tools) requires a real-world project. If you don’t have a real world project to do, than why are you even getting certified? I call those people certificate whores. They have every certificate you could imagine, yet when it comes down to utilizing what they have learned, they are worthless.

“For lack of training, they lacked knowledge. For lack of knowledge, they lacked confidence. For lack of confidence, the lacked victory.” Julius Caesar
“Simulation” is where the victory begins.

Shouldn’t that be – Excellent Metaphor?

Excellent  Metaphor

Try thinking about his comments.

Which is most recognized is debatable, as you can see from the flurry of battling egos here. IMHO, I would recommend a training program that works for you (fits your learning stile) Be sure that you have projects to apply your training as you take it too as the real world is truly better than simulation. That said, simulation is better than nothing. If you work in a manufacturing environment and simulation is part of the program then do a transactional simulation (and visa versa) to round yourself out a little. If certification is part of the program be sure to take the test. However, certification is worthless if you do not use it. I would also recommend that after you have done 3 -5 projects, get the CSSBB primer (it also makes a great reference) study and take the ASQ test. If you have a couple years experience and are recognized by two different organizations as “certified” I would say you are probably competent. In the end, Every project is an opportunity to learn something new or refine what you already know. No one knows it all, not even the prevalent egos battling for supremacy here in response to your original question.

I am sure that when Julius wrote that he was thinking “there will be a time when this quote will be extremely useful to rationalize simulation used in Six Sigma training.” Obviously if you understand how he ended up he wasn’t all that good at Change Management.
Do a little research and see what he used to motivate the troops before a battle. The slaves and prisoners did not simulate a battle, they fought to the death.
This goes back to the inner drives of a person. The first link in the quote is that confidence is a function of experience. Not true for all personality types. The high A type personality creates that confidence from within self. Add simulation and there may be more but when it is crunch time does the high A believe it will happen because of simulation or himself? They will always go back to confidence in self.
You may have trouble with that concept. With your exuberant puppy personality you are obviously a low A.
Lebowski

Thank  you  for  discovering  all  my  screen names?

“Past history is no indication of future performance.” It’s not all about results, but it is about the outcome of the results, as one can have failed results. Even real projects don’t guarantee results, but will only provide lessons learned.
Consider reading the post by Kiwi, from NZ (looking for online training?). Kiwi is one of many professionals out-there that have “Been There, Done That” (completed real projects), but for whatever reason, don’t have a valid certification (not every organization hands-out certification or has an in-house training facility to do so), therefore, this type of value creation is out-sourced to organizations that will provide such service, which, BTW, is in high demand. “Victory begins with small successes.” Successes that bring desired results in reasonable time!
People that want to learn and gain knowledge have the right to do so. They don’t need your approval. More importantly, it is their decision to make, their choice to do so, not mine or yours. “Ignorance is not bliss.”

Brit,
Once again, yes, if options #1 and #2 are not available, the learner can do #3(Certification and Simulation). Steve Harrison or AI have made this point in another post. Even if the learner has #2, but would like to enhance their knowledge-base they can still do #3(Certification and Simulation). Super! Great! No Problem! 
Additional suggestion, is for the learner to brush-up on their interviewing skills (to get that job) or negotiating skills (to get that raise). Better yet, if they have #1, they may consider going out on their own!
BTW, I enjoy your objective posts!

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