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March 10, 2007 at 7:41 pm #46373
six sigma amateurMember@six-sigma-amateurInclude @six-sigma-amateur in your post and this person will
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I am very keen to get certified black belt. But i m not able to get clarity on which black belt is most recognised globally or in other terms which carries most value. Is it GE, Motorolla, ASQ,……..?
0March 10, 2007 at 9:04 pm #153042
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Villanova U.?
0March 10, 2007 at 9:38 pm #153043
Ken FeldmanParticipant@DarthInclude @Darth in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Oh yeah, it’s right up there with the others he mentioned. If it wasn’t for your constant touting of the program, most of us wouldn’t even know it exists. Frankly, never met or interviewed anyone who ever got their certification from there.
0March 10, 2007 at 11:00 pm #153045Villanova doesn’t even require a real completed project to get certified. I think they have some kind of case study you do as your final project. Be weary of any program that doesn’t require you to complete at least one project as the project lead with significant savings.
0March 11, 2007 at 1:46 am #153050
Six Sigma ShooterMember@Six-Sigma-ShooterInclude @Six-Sigma-Shooter in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I have and was not impressed. They did the case study project to get certified – what a waste of money.
0March 11, 2007 at 9:29 am #153058
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Funny Reply?
0March 11, 2007 at 9:58 am #153054
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.It is not true?They have an excellent simulated project with 10 assignments and you have to receive a full credit for each assignment,beside passing some 10 Exam. with more than 70%.They have four projects (HC,Manuf.,Finance and Education),and you have to complete one project before passing the course successfully.The Eucation Project (for example) is quite complicated and “Challanging” for many pretenders?? I believe that a real BB should care to investigate before presenting his opinion??Best Regards
0March 11, 2007 at 2:49 pm #153061In truth, however, I have found that Dr. Harry’s MindPro study program to resonate with our entire team. It’s not only flexible, and convenient, but a very affordable method for Six Sigma knowledge transfer, belt certification, and knowledge retention. BTW, it’s no longer available in DVD, but is available as an online e-learning resource and, best of all, you learn from one of the originators of SS, Dr. Harry himself. No one else can offer you that!
BA0March 11, 2007 at 8:22 pm #153069And what have you done to improve society? By the way, Sam who??? Now, that’s a lot of crap!
BA0March 11, 2007 at 11:35 pm #153076Sorry, did not get that, Sam who?????????????
0March 12, 2007 at 10:59 am #153108Hi Reigle,MindPro no longer available on DVD? This must be based on its
overwhelming success!Anyone who has actually seen these or had to try to actually learn
from the famous doctor would not recommend.0March 12, 2007 at 11:39 am #153109Dear Complete Idiot,i also have never seen anyone competent out of the Villanova
program. You reinforce this belief.0March 12, 2007 at 11:49 am #153118Yes, please pass my comment on. All of these university programs are just about making money. They
are usually keen for feedback other than checks, p.o.’s, or credit card
numbers. Maybe they can make a simulated project on this in their
rigorous simulated project criteria.0March 12, 2007 at 12:07 pm #153114
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Thank You Stan.I should pass your comment to them for evaluation?
0March 12, 2007 at 12:45 pm #153127Stan,
Everyone on this forum knows that you’re OCD about anything that has to do with Reigle, Harry, university training, etc. Thanks for showing up. Now go smell the Hummus and have a nice day!0March 12, 2007 at 4:09 pm #153154
Heebeegeebee BBParticipant@Heebeegeebee-BBInclude @Heebeegeebee-BB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Allthingsidiot, you ar living up to your nom de plume.
4 simulated projects/case studies don’t equal 1 real-world project with results.
This is not a knock on Villanova, as much as it’s a knock on the 6S industry…”belt-mills” are not the answer.
This is a perfect case outlining the need for applying the 2E-1M principle…0March 12, 2007 at 4:45 pm #153158
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
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I like your answer,straighforward ,hitting the target,thanks you.0March 12, 2007 at 4:59 pm #153159
six sigma amateurMember@six-sigma-amateurInclude @six-sigma-amateur in your post and this person will
be notified via email.thanks for your opinion
so according to the forum, apart from ASQ, Motorolla & GE the only most recognised black belt certification is Villanova?0March 12, 2007 at 5:29 pm #153161
Harold SchmurtzParticipant@Harold-SchmurtzInclude @Harold-Schmurtz in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Recognized does not automatically equate to “good”. Villanova is recognized, at least in part, due to the controversy surrounding their use of simulated/pretend projects for certification. The recognition may not translate into the type of professional value that you seek.
0March 12, 2007 at 5:38 pm #153162
qualitycoloradoParticipant@qualitycoloradoInclude @qualitycolorado in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Six sigma amateur,
Your original posting has only been out 2 days (since Saturday), and most of that has been weekend time — wait a few more days during the workweek this week and see what else surfaces ….
Best regards,
QualityColorado0March 12, 2007 at 6:01 pm #153164There are others that have programs, but ASQ, GE and Motorola are the usual names that arise. Michigan University has one – no opinion on effectiveness, just that they have one. Key is that the trainign is done by someone competent and that a real-time, real-life project is performed. You can search and find a bunch – George Group, Six Sigma Academy, et al.
We had one BB go through Villanova’s. It was ok, but the simulated projects were fairly useless and the more statistical tools weren’t emphasized as much as some of the other training offered out there. I made the BB do a project for me/with me before recognizing them internally.0March 12, 2007 at 6:09 pm #153165“Knowledge is power” and you don’t want to give up power, do you?” You’re threatend by what you label as “education mills” and you want control, sorry online training is here to stay, the internet is here to stay, no more borders, and no reason for anyone to subordinate their mind to the influence and control of Heebeegeebees like you!
0March 12, 2007 at 7:05 pm #153170No, there is just one hack on here that always pushes Villanova. Look at his language and incorrect use of punctuation to judge his intelligence.
Look for someone who has their roots in Motorola, AlliedSignal, or early GE – they seem to be the best. My opinion is that the group that came out of Allied in 95 and 96 are the best.0March 12, 2007 at 7:09 pm #153172Reigle,
I don’t know what OCD is, so you’ve got me on that one.
The only person who would recommend MindPro is you. Clearly you are not objective and to come on here with the rhetoric of learning from the master himself only works for those that are unaware of what that means.0March 12, 2007 at 7:25 pm #153180
Heebeegeebee BBParticipant@Heebeegeebee-BBInclude @Heebeegeebee-BB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.gives us the prrrrrrrrrecioussssssssss.
we wants the precioussssssss…..
gives us the Villanova certsifications….
gives us the ASQ certsifications….
gives us the magic 3-day master Black Belt wunder-certsificationsssssss….
ahhh, so beautiful, sooo perrrrfect, soooo precioussss…….0March 12, 2007 at 7:45 pm #153171
Heebeegeebee BBParticipant@Heebeegeebee-BBInclude @Heebeegeebee-BB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Wow! I managed to push somebody’s hot button(s)!
What vitriol, what hate, what anger! Very ironic from somebody using the name “TAO”…
Your cadence and choice words sound just like our old Friend, Marlon Brando, or perhaps Dog SXXt…hmm…
Sounds like a case of blocked Qi.
0March 12, 2007 at 7:49 pm #153173Marlon is AllThingsIdiot, so it must be one of the others.
0March 12, 2007 at 7:50 pm #153175
Heebeegeebee BBParticipant@Heebeegeebee-BBInclude @Heebeegeebee-BB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.AlliedAlum here. Do you remember the secret handshake? How about the AlliedSignal coat of arms?
ahh, the good ole’ days.
On a serious note, The Allied model taken from Mot U. was pretty darn good until AA was engaged.0March 12, 2007 at 7:52 pm #153176
Heebeegeebee BBParticipant@Heebeegeebee-BBInclude @Heebeegeebee-BB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Harold, you raise an excellent point!
0March 12, 2007 at 7:57 pm #153178
Good ol’ daysParticipant@Good-ol'-daysInclude @Good-ol'-days in your post and this person will
be notified via email.it looks like we’re finally getting the fun of the ‘good ol’ days’ again … smirgol luvs our precious!
0March 12, 2007 at 9:22 pm #153184
LebowskiParticipant@LebowskiInclude @Lebowski in your post and this person will
be notified via email.That is truely amazing! So how do they simulate the issues with change management? Running team meetings? Working with Process Owners who may or may not support? Sustainability?
We are supposed to take the Villa Nova Simulated Black Belt with as much credibility as Black Belt who has truely forged their skills in the throws of a deployment? The only thing I can possibly imagine having less credibility is being a digitally certified Black Belt by Dr. Harry and his lap dog Reigle.
The name change from Marlon to Allthingsidiot at least indicates you have some idea what truth in advertising is.
Lebowski0March 12, 2007 at 11:41 pm #153190
Mark MillerParticipant@Mark-MillerInclude @Mark-Miller in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Stan,
You don’t even own a copy of MindPro, therefore, you’re not qualified to talk about it. You have no facts, your language is full of hate, envy, and jealousy towards Dr. Harry, Reigle, and the rest of the world!
“Misery is an option and loves company.”
0March 13, 2007 at 4:47 am #153200“The Eucation Project (for example) is quite complicated ..”
It obviously is complicated for you … I see that it’s even difficult for you to spell correctly … or is this just an example of students who are ignorant enough to do it ?0March 13, 2007 at 8:33 pm #153245
LebowskiParticipant@LebowskiInclude @Lebowski in your post and this person will
be notified via email.MM,
It would seem that the criteria to speak about MindPro is if you had seen it not if you owned it. I don’t own it but I have seen it and it is the same level of junk as Harry captured on his VHS tapes.
If you believe that someone is jealous of what is on those DVD’s then you obviously have not watched it.
Lebowski0March 13, 2007 at 8:38 pm #153247I have gone through the entire package, and yes, I do not own it. I would not pay more than the price of a rewritable DVD for it.
0March 13, 2007 at 9:02 pm #153251
Heebeegeebee BBParticipant@Heebeegeebee-BBInclude @Heebeegeebee-BB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.MM,
Are you just an enthusiastic supporter of MindPro, or do you have a vested financial interest?
It’s ok to be excited about the offering, as long as you are honest about any affiliation(s).
-Just curious.
-Just curious0March 13, 2007 at 11:42 pm #153258Mark,
WOW! The whole cast of “Les Mis” showed up all at one time, including the “Dude” Lebowski.
On a more serious note, if you’re a MindPro user/owner, what do you like best about it? What changes would you recommend?
BA0March 14, 2007 at 12:15 am #153257Answering to the first original question:
I received my Black belt certification from air academy and my MBB certification from smartersolutions. personally i would recommend more air academy, I do know others but not as well as these both guys. and more important they do not give you a certification based on a class project… they request a real work project with real daily problems.
hope this helps0March 14, 2007 at 2:06 am #153259Reigle,
You playing these multiple screen names and answering yourself does not fool anyone.
Do me a favor and pretend to be your daughter again – that one was my favorite.0March 14, 2007 at 6:20 am #153266
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.You are against Villanova,MindPro..etc,I suggest:
STAN’s U. for SS (SUFSS),I will be the first student if you accept me?best wishes for succrss and good luck0March 14, 2007 at 6:52 am #153265
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Honestly Ilike your comments,it makes me laughing,thanks you?
0March 14, 2007 at 8:39 am #153279
mid pacerParticipant@mid-pacerInclude @mid-pacer in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Mr. allthingsidiotAFTER READING MOST POSTSsimulated flight environment compared to real flight for supersonic aircraft pilotssimulated online shopping to real shoppingsimulated visit to antartica to actual visitsimulated love stories to actual onesimulated video games of today to actual games we played on field in child hoodin simulated environment time is in your control situations are in your controlin real world project you will get calls from wife in between your work , children to take care of,
and so many other problems
data collection is such difficult task in actual world training the person who works on process to collect data, make him buy the conceptof process improvement in real world, then getting funds sanctioned from senior management, data not being clean, disturbances from other projects, breakdwon in infrastructure supporting six sigma for one critical day of your projectIF SIMULATED ENVIRONMENT CAN GIVE ALL THIS……
I AM UP FOR IT…….damn it why you guys want it so easy, everything ready.it can be supplementary experience but never primary
NEVER0March 14, 2007 at 9:03 am #153274
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.What is the real-world project?complete nonsense?If you know how to tackle a simulated project ,using the proper tools,then what?you may be able to solve any problem in the real world (using some change management hints..etc),don’t make it difficult ,you know that the real-world projects are less sopisticated ,but more complicated on the ” human-side”,so what ?people will not cooperate unless you motivate them??.I believe the simulated projects are more challanging in regard to required techniques and tools.Have already enough experience in both sides,just my opinion.Please ask Stan and he will agree with that,I’m sure????????
0March 14, 2007 at 9:06 am #153276
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Agree
0March 14, 2007 at 9:12 am #153277
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.What is wrong with that?I will pass to you one case study for solving the required assignments?I’m very sure that you would not pass the required score?Let us face it :It is only Jealousy that is behind all this debate.Please ask Stan/Darth and they would agree?I’m sure .best regards
0March 14, 2007 at 9:16 am #153282
Six Sigma ShooterMember@Six-Sigma-ShooterInclude @Six-Sigma-Shooter in your post and this person will
be notified via email.What is wrong with it? Well, when it came to an actual project and implementing some improvement projects, he was about as clueless as they come. Didn’t understand why he should get out on the floor, out where the work is. Just wanteed to sit in the cubicle and play on the computer, doing his data analysis of historical numbers that had very little value. Didn’t know how to work with process workers as a team member. Had no idea how to deal with the barriers and resistance one encounters when running a project. Should I go on? Go ahead and do your little case study, academic exercises. The real test is in the real world, where the real problems and real people are, not in some made up world with make believe problems.
0March 14, 2007 at 9:16 am #153278
mid pacerParticipant@mid-pacerInclude @mid-pacer in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Mr. allthingsidiotsimulated flight environment compared to real flight for supersonic aircraft pilotssimulated online shopping to real shoppingsimulated visit to antartica to actual visitsimulated love stories to actual onesimulated video games of today to actual games we played on field in child hoodin simulated environment time is in your control situations are in your controlin real world project you will get calls from wife in between your work , children to take care of,
and so many other problems
data collection is such difficult task in actual world training the person who works on process to collect data, make him buy the conceptof process improvement in real world, then getting funds sanctioned from senior management, data not being clean, disturbances from other projects, breakdwon in infrastructure supporting six sigma for one critical day of your projectIF SIMULATED ENVIRONMENT CAN GIVE ALL THIS……
I AM UP FOR IT…….damn it why you guys want it so easy, everything ready.it can be supplementary experience but never primary
NEVER0March 14, 2007 at 9:42 am #153281
accringtonParticipant@accringtonInclude @accrington in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I personally am the owner of no less than five black belts. I’va also got a brown one, and a nice red, white and blue elasticky one, with one of those S – shaped clasps.
The black belt that most people recognise is the one with Harley – Davidson buckle on. They often say, “Where’s your motorbike then?”, when they see it.0March 14, 2007 at 12:11 pm #153291
accringtonParticipant@accringtonInclude @accrington in your post and this person will
be notified via email.In my organisation they use the term ‘MINITAB Jockey’
0March 14, 2007 at 3:06 pm #153310
Heebeegeebee BBParticipant@Heebeegeebee-BBInclude @Heebeegeebee-BB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.WOW…Your Nom de plume is right on…
No amount, I repeat: NO AMOUNT of simulation can substitute for the cold, hard, gritty realities of an actual project with it’s associated risks, challenges, highs and lows. NONE.
Look at the airline Pilot industry..allthough sims are used, it comes down to an actual test flight for certification.
Look at the Military. No amount of simultion, Training, or FTX can prepare you physically, mentally, or spiritually for the actual experience of combat…the gore and splatter, the loss of Brothers, the reality.
I wish you well…seriously0March 14, 2007 at 4:40 pm #153314
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I enjoy reading your comments.
But without simulation nobody dare to fly or to fight.Even nobody would introduce a new product or service?
Can you imagine a successful actual test flight without simulation.
Simulation is the required training for successful practical achievement.After all education or on-line training can’t offer you more than that.
What do you mean by “Nom de plume”?
Thanks and best regards0March 14, 2007 at 5:04 pm #153321
Heebeegeebee BBParticipant@Heebeegeebee-BBInclude @Heebeegeebee-BB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Marlon/Tao/All Things/Dog Sxxt:
Simulation is fine for training purposes, but when acheiving a certification as a GB/BB/MBB, you are essentially telling the world that you are an experienced, blooded expert in the field of Six Sigma. I contend that one cannot be considered as an experienced, blooded Leader when all activities prior to cert occurred in a laboratory environment. The data indicates otherwise.
“Nom de Plume” is Feench for “Pen Name”…your alias(es).0March 14, 2007 at 5:19 pm #153317Simulation for training, yes. In every class I have taken, we have always done a simple simulation of how to use a tool or whatever the case may be, but CERTIFICATION (meaning you are 100% competant to complete all aspects of being a black belt, there is more to it than the tools) requires a real-world project. If you don’t have a real world project to do, than why are you even getting certified? I call those people certificate whores. They have every certificate you could imagine, yet when it comes down to utilizing what they have learned, they are worthless.
0March 14, 2007 at 11:42 pm #153355
LebowskiParticipant@LebowskiInclude @Lebowski in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Most recognized has nothing to do with a belt. The top three are Jesus, Elvis and Coca Cola as explained by Kinky Friedman.
Lebowski0March 16, 2007 at 3:56 pm #153482
Julius C.Participant@Julius-C.Include @Julius-C. in your post and this person will
be notified via email.“For lack of training, they lacked knowledge. For lack of knowledge, they lacked confidence. For lack of confidence, the lacked victory.” Julius Caesar
“Simulation” is where the victory begins.0March 16, 2007 at 5:37 pm #153493
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Silly comment,everybody knows how to spell that word,it is only due to quick typing.I thought you would like to introduce some valuable comments,but????
0March 16, 2007 at 5:38 pm #153494Shouldn’t that be – Excellent Metaphor?
0March 16, 2007 at 5:48 pm #153495
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Thank You.Brief and Wise.Hitting the target,closing the debate.
0March 16, 2007 at 6:30 pm #153492
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Excellent Metaphor
0March 16, 2007 at 7:19 pm #153505
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I appraciate your comments,best wishes
0March 16, 2007 at 7:29 pm #153508Try thinking about his comments.
0March 16, 2007 at 7:34 pm #153509
LebowskiParticipant@LebowskiInclude @Lebowski in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Thank you. I have been waiting for your permission to proceed and your enjoyment is certainly a priority in my life.
Lebowski0March 16, 2007 at 7:55 pm #153501
AiredaleParticipant@AiredaleInclude @Airedale in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Which is most recognized is debatable, as you can see from the flurry of battling egos here. IMHO, I would recommend a training program that works for you (fits your learning stile) Be sure that you have projects to apply your training as you take it too as the real world is truly better than simulation. That said, simulation is better than nothing. If you work in a manufacturing environment and simulation is part of the program then do a transactional simulation (and visa versa) to round yourself out a little. If certification is part of the program be sure to take the test. However, certification is worthless if you do not use it. I would also recommend that after you have done 3 -5 projects, get the CSSBB primer (it also makes a great reference) study and take the ASQ test. If you have a couple years experience and are recognized by two different organizations as “certified” I would say you are probably competent. In the end, Every project is an opportunity to learn something new or refine what you already know. No one knows it all, not even the prevalent egos battling for supremacy here in response to your original question.
0March 16, 2007 at 8:12 pm #153503
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Thank you.That is really a great (objective) wrapping-up.
0March 16, 2007 at 8:12 pm #153504
LebowskiParticipant@LebowskiInclude @Lebowski in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I am sure that when Julius wrote that he was thinking “there will be a time when this quote will be extremely useful to rationalize simulation used in Six Sigma training.” Obviously if you understand how he ended up he wasn’t all that good at Change Management.
Do a little research and see what he used to motivate the troops before a battle. The slaves and prisoners did not simulate a battle, they fought to the death.
This goes back to the inner drives of a person. The first link in the quote is that confidence is a function of experience. Not true for all personality types. The high A type personality creates that confidence from within self. Add simulation and there may be more but when it is crunch time does the high A believe it will happen because of simulation or himself? They will always go back to confidence in self.
You may have trouble with that concept. With your exuberant puppy personality you are obviously a low A.
Lebowski0March 16, 2007 at 8:21 pm #153507
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Go ahead ,I enjoy reading your valuable sarcastic comments?0March 18, 2007 at 7:47 am #153536
AllthingsidiotParticipant@AllthingsidiotInclude @Allthingsidiot in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Thank you for discovering all my screen names?
0March 19, 2007 at 12:41 pm #153559Actually it doesn’t close the debate – it may even prove the point on the other side of the argument. Simulation is fine for knowledge and learning – the quote ends with an addition – “Simulation is where victory begins”. Simulation, however, would not emulate victory. In that case, the Romans and whomever they were conquering at the moment would play a board game and the winner would get the land/resources.As we all are aware (or should be), it is all about results. You won’t have results without practical projects. You can’t have actual certification without results. “Results are where victory ends…”
0March 19, 2007 at 2:53 pm #153567
JCaesarParticipant@JCaesarInclude @JCaesar in your post and this person will
be notified via email.“Past history is no indication of future performance.” It’s not all about results, but it is about the outcome of the results, as one can have failed results. Even real projects don’t guarantee results, but will only provide lessons learned.
Consider reading the post by Kiwi, from NZ (looking for online training?). Kiwi is one of many professionals out-there that have “Been There, Done That” (completed real projects), but for whatever reason, don’t have a valid certification (not every organization hands-out certification or has an in-house training facility to do so), therefore, this type of value creation is out-sourced to organizations that will provide such service, which, BTW, is in high demand. “Victory begins with small successes.” Successes that bring desired results in reasonable time!
People that want to learn and gain knowledge have the right to do so. They don’t need your approval. More importantly, it is their decision to make, their choice to do so, not mine or yours. “Ignorance is not bliss.”0March 19, 2007 at 3:54 pm #153574Once again, I did not confuse knowledge with performance, like it seems you are doing. Results, failed or not, are not acheived via simulation. Knowledge can be achieved, but application, in my opinion, is even more important than certification.
I did not indicate that it takes my approval for someone to gain knowledge – I encourage it, believe it or not. It is my responsibility to hire and develop BBs and GBs. I will choose to hire ones who have experience over ones with only simulated testing. If I have to hire one with only simulated testing, then I will require an in house project during a probationary period.
More importantly (to get to your issue with knowledge), I will choose to hire ones with successful experience and no certification over ones with a certifcation and no experience. So, my pecking order for hiring a BB:
1. BB with successful project experience
2. Successful Six Sigma Leader with no certification
3. BB with no project experience (i.e. simulated project only)
I bet you will find other businesses who choose in the same manner. So, no matter what your argument, it is the customer (employer) who is hiring or providing a raise. Choose your certification as you wish.
Certification should mean that you can do. In my mind that means you have done it. It is the lessons learned, especially in change management, that separates the certification with no project versus the guided certification with real-time real-project experience.0March 19, 2007 at 4:24 pm #153576Brit,
Once again, yes, if options #1 and #2 are not available, the learner can do #3(Certification and Simulation). Steve Harrison or AI have made this point in another post. Even if the learner has #2, but would like to enhance their knowledge-base they can still do #3(Certification and Simulation). Super! Great! No Problem!
Additional suggestion, is for the learner to brush-up on their interviewing skills (to get that job) or negotiating skills (to get that raise). Better yet, if they have #1, they may consider going out on their own!
BTW, I enjoy your objective posts!0March 19, 2007 at 4:46 pm #153579
Heebeegeebee BBParticipant@Heebeegeebee-BBInclude @Heebeegeebee-BB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.As Brit said earlier, It’s not about simulation in training…that is a good thing.
It’s about relying ONLY on simulation “experience” in order to gain certification in a particular field.
Get it?0March 19, 2007 at 9:47 pm #153598
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