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    Prof Hans
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    I am unable to understand why people use this forum.  It is a mish-mash of name calling, bad language, illiterates, consultants trying to con new victims, teenagers, and men with degrees found in corn flakes packets trying to prop up the failing fallacy of rich old Mikel.
    Why are you here?

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    #143660

    Mikel
    Member

    I personally lurk waiting for the lunatic fringe which I either befriend (like Darth or Mike C.) or chase away (like Reigle and Joe BB).
    iSixSigma pays me handsomely for this service.

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    #143665

    Hans
    Participant

    Just for clarification: Prof. Hans is not the same as the Hans who is associated with the monkeys. 
    What I love about the internet is the fact that it is an expression of Turing’s “revenge” to the British authorities for the fact that he never got officially recognized for his work on the enigma and the mathematical foundations of the computer because he was of a questionable moral orientation (sic). As a result, he invented the Turing test, which is now constantly hunting us on internet lala land  (Who are you? How can we distinguish between a machine and a true human being when two black boxes communicate). The outcome of this is that we are in the constant danger of falling into an “enigma coma” (see Guenter Schulte: “Vielleicht ist die Wahrheit ein Weib”, Bouvier Verlag).
    Whoever wrote this thread also does not know much about the academic hierarchy in the German academic community. It might be an honor to be a Prof. Hans in the US. In Germany the appropriate way to academically introduce oneself is either Dipl. Kaufmann Dr.rea-pol. Joe Doe or Dr. rea pol. Prof. Joe Doe. Also, in Germany the title professor is only given to those few who have written a “Habilitation”. You may want to keep that in mind in the future. Regards.
    P.S. If you want to get a simple and easy to read introduction about the nature of paranoia I strongly suggest to get a copy of manuscript H, I and K of Freud’s letters to Wilhelm Fliess (1896).

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    #143667

    Stevo
    Member

    Hans, no offense, but you are a nerd.  You might be top nerd and we have nerds on this site.
    That should be our motto – “We got nerds!”
    Stevo
    ps – I said “no offense” so I can legally insult you.

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    #143669

    howe
    Participant

    Why would anyone:
    “want to get a simple and easy to read introduction about the nature of paranoia” 
    … other than a pretentious paranoid fool like Hans ?

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    #143671

    Hans
    Participant

    Thanks for the compliment, now go back to the cave where you belong.

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    #143673

    Hans
    Participant

    Stevo,
    You are absolutely right!!! But believe me, I am making very good money, and am very happy, unlike those who have obviously made it today’s  crusade to “bring me down”. (Tomorrow they will be bored with me and find someone else, but nothing has changed with them, because they are so perfect! … Seligman (1979) called that “constant external attribution” with all of its neurotic consequences).
    This will never happen with primitive ad hominem arguments of the kind that have become so prevalent in American public life over the past few years.
    The problem is obviously not that I am a nerd (that’s a given), but the fact that it obviously activates a “blind spot” in those people’s eyes who vigorously detest it. But that is not my problem :-). My suggestion to read Freud’s letter to Wilhelm Fliess was an attempt to “drive home” the mechanics of this neurotically, boring behavior. Maybe these people showed to do a DMAIC on their own cognitive and emotional processes and get used to the fact that I will post on this site whenevery I feel like it and that I will choose what I will say and not be lulled into the traps set by “other peoples’ expectations”. In conclusion: take it or leave it. We live in a free country. You or others insult me, I’ll gladly take that as a price to pay for posting on the internet. Warm Regards.

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    #143674

    Stevo
    Member

    Sorry Hans, I stopped reading after “You are absolutely right!!! ”  But I’m sure it was a good read. 
    Don’t get me wrong, I’m striving to become a nerd.  Currently, I’m at the snot-nose dweeb stage, but I’m hoping to test out soon.
    BTW – Best day on the forum for a while, not a lot real questions to get in the way.

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    #143675

    Caveman
    Participant

    I don’t want idiots like Mike or Hans in my cave !!!

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    #143677

    Hans
    Participant

    Caveman,
    Again, you are obviously not very well read:
    “The idiot is not our greatest problem. He is indeed loathsome. .. Nevertheless, he lives his life and is done. He does not continue the race with a line of children himself. … It is the moron type that makes for our great problem (Goddard, 1912, pp. 101 – 102).
    So why would an idiot invade the cave of a morone? Please continue to amuse us and to make yourself the laughing stock of this forum. Warm Regards.

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    #143678

    GB
    Participant

    big words, small p-value

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    #143679

    Hans
    Participant

    Jee, if that is all that you can come up with, I am very disappointed. I thought you were one of those who were to be taken seriously on this forum. Anyway, regards.

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    #143680

    Caveman
    Participant

    “So why would an idiot invade the cave of a morone?”
    That does sound like an idiot’s comment.
    morone
    Mo*rone”, n. Maroon; the color of an unripe black mulberry.
    Those mulberries will get you one day Hans.

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    #143681

    Bean Eater
    Participant

    I think Hans needs a rasberry rather than a mulberry.

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    #143684

    darp
    Participant

    As someone who has been watching this site for just over 2 years (& a certified 6S BB), I have to concur with the prof!
    Slowly this site has become less of a resource and more of a joke/ chat/bash site (call it what you like!).
    Maybe its time to do a 6S project on this site to find why it has become such an embarrasement.
    Its time to grow up guys!
     

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    #143685

    Ang
    Participant

    Darp,
    Maybe it’s because six sigma has become a joke !
    It has always been more a money spinner for six sigma consultants than any real improvement on TQM  !! If anything, it has sent quality backwards.
    I can now expect the isixsigma employees here to call me a moron and an idiot.

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    #143686

    Mikel
    Member

    You may want to talk to your therapist about why you are emmbarrassed about something that has nothing to do with you.

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    #143687

    Hans
    Participant

    I want to thank Mike Carnell, Robert Butler, Eric Maas, Andy U, Orang Utan, Stan, Stevo, Deep and BBpt for some very interesting exchanges. Darth, I cannot leave you out because your sense of humor and sarcasm has consistently been so much to the point and I have learned to appreciate your intellect and your with. To all of you, warm regards!
    As for the abcs, Peters from South Africa, Pavreen’s, Cavemen,  and the inflation of acronyms that have come and left over the past three months and who hide their lack of substantive contribution behind the quick gratification of badly thought through ad hominem arguments, I can assure you that Six Sigma as a Problem Solving methodology is very well and alive and will be with us for many years to come (even if it changes its name). Maybe one day you will make it to the ranks of yellow or even green belts and contribute productively to the performance of an organization. Until then, continue to delusion yourselves by impressing each other (or your alter ego, in a Turing machine one never knows) with the wit, intellect and education of a five year old child. Good luck!

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    #143689

    Eric Maass
    Participant

    Hans,
    You are very welcome, and thanks to you as well for your interesting insights and exchanges.
    Why are people here? Some obviously are here to express frustration or to say their piece. Others just want to help other people – was it Marcus Aurelius who compared such people to grapevines?
    And then there are those whose motivation can best be summarized with a song…perhaps King Crimson’s “I talk to the wind”…

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    #143691

    Mikel
    Member

    “but the wind does not hear, the wind cannot hear”
    good choice of quote, good music – the best Greg Lake ever did.
     

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    #143692

    Eric Maass
    Participant

    Thanks, Stan – it’s great to find another person who enjoys good music that most people have forgotten, or never heard of… Greg Lake became famous with Emerson, Lake and Palmer, but I agree – that album with King Crimson was probably his finest work.
    Anyway, if anyone else wants to read the lyrics, you can find there here: http://www.song-teksten.com/song_lyrics/king_crimson/in_the_court_of_the_crimson_king/i_talk_to_the_wind/
    I tried to find a link in case someone was curious, but the links I found were either missing (missing links!) …or imitations.

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    #143693

    Mikel
    Member

    My favorite –
    21st Century Schizoid Man

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    #143700

    ABC
    Participant

    Prima digestio fit in ore
    Odi profanum vulgus et arceo

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    #143725

    darp
    Participant

    For clairification:
    Embarrasing when:
    I suggest the site site to a Sr VP & her response is. 
    ” Yes I’ve looked at it & it sounds like this 6 sigma thing is a create work project for those who pretend to have a real  job”.
    Guys, you are not giving this progam credibility.

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    #143726

    Alvarez
    Participant

    Embarrassing … but true

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    #143734

    Gupta
    Participant

    We have saying in India:
    Monkey knows monkey as
    Idiot knows idiot.

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    #143736

    EdG
    Participant

    Prof.
    Three part answer.

    Some of the questions posed occasionally yield helpful insight from some of the answers provided by others.
    Some of the questions posed make me (personally) think, dig into the materials, and gain a better understanding of the tool in working towards an answer for the questioner.
    Quite often, entertainment.
    Does this make any sense?

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    #143737

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Darp,
    If your enlightened Sr. VP is relying upon an anonymous, public online Forum to educate herself and form an opinion on the most popular and effective management approach in the past 20 years then you are an idiot for suggesting it and she is worse for coming to a conclusion based on her extensive research.  Why not contact peers in other companies that have successfully deployed SS?  Why not attend a major SS conference to hear what it is about and to network with other executives? At least get her to read a few mainline books on the subject.  Is she the same kind of person that makes medical decisions based on browsing WebMD?  Or improves her marriage by watching Dr. Phil on TV.  Get real and if you and she are serious about learning about SS, give her some useful recommendations.

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    #143739

    Quainoo
    Member

    EdG
    I agree with point 1 and 2.
    I like this forum only because some very competent people can help improve my understanding of the statistical tools used in 6 sigma projects.
    I also appriciate how people seem to get passionate about statistics.
    Vincent
     

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    #143741

    Joe BB
    Participant

    What I like about this forum is the opportunity to help my fellow human beings like Little-StanBoy who did not know how to write in English and whose spelling was horrible before I started posting on the forum. Hw has made a great deal of improvement since.
    I also like to help DumbDarth with his arrogance. This man was a big ignorant and arrogant fool. Look at him now He still is but he is improving a lot.

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    #143742

    EdG
    Participant

    Vincent,
    You do have to admit though that there have been a few message threads that offer quite the entertainment value.  Just look at a few of the streams in this thread alone.
    However on the serious side, I had to offer #1 & #2 as reasons.  Because they were why I initially began to post messages.  And occassionally it is a fulfilling exercise to execute #2.
    Have a good weekend…

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    #143744

    Quainoo
    Member

    EdG,
    I must admit some message threads are entertaining.
    But only up to a point.
    I mean, as long as people’s dignity is respected.
    Have a good week end too.
    Vincent

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    #143747

    Marlon Brando
    Participant

    What  about  Monkey  knows  idiot?

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    #143752

    Pow Ching
    Participant

    Ah, so.  Inscrutable.

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    #143753

    Hans
    Participant

    More important, does idiot know monkey !?
    There is a reference to a paper on it but I’cant remember the reference right now.

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    #143773

    Dr. Phil
    Participant

    Lighten-up on the criticism of Dr. Phil on TV. Do you know how many monkey’s and idiot’s I’ve helped with their marriages? It takes some real cash-flow to be available to the general do-nothing all day at home crowd during the afternoon; sets, producers, lights, camera, action!!!It’s not like I just sit around here posting all day, though I’d like to…….
    Shhhhhhheeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzsssssss……

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    #143774

    Dr. Phil
    Participant

    “Marge, the illiterates, consultants and the teenagers have taken over the superduper Six Sigma process improvement internet forum again. My goodness it’s the eighth time this week. Why don’t they all just go over to the shopping mall where those idiots and the monkeys go. Maybe we can get a camera team over there to highlight it for our next show.” 

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    #143804

    Brit
    Participant

    Obviously you haven’t spen tmuch time with TQM or have forgotten the amazing amount of money that was spent in worthless consulting, facilitation training, and local optimization spawned by the process.  This fallacy that one improvement method is better than another is laughable.
    As someone mentioned before – it’s not the type of improvement you do, but how it is implemented.  There have been success and failure stories for every methodology since the assembly line.  If you want to bash six sigma – fine, waste your time doing so on a six sigma forum (I haven’t understood that one yet).  Better to find why somethign doesn’t work, be it TQM, Six Sigma, Lean, ISO, Malcom Baldridge, etc., and try to fix that part.  If the glove don’t fit, you must aquit – Johnny Cochran

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